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Trains cancelled over fake bridge collapse image (www.bbc.com)
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[–] 12 points 10 months ago (17 children)

Devils advocate, AI might be an agent that detects tapering with a NLP frontend.

Not all AI is LLMs.

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  • [–] 36 points 10 months ago* (16 children)

    A "chatbot" is not a specialized AI.

    (I feel like maybe I need to put this boilerplate in every comment about AI, but I'd hate that.) I'm not against AI or even chatbots. They have their uses. This is not using them appropriately.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago* (15 children)

    A chatbot can be the user facing side of a specialized agent.

    That's actually how original change bots were. Siri didn't know how to get the weather, it was able to classify the question as a weather question, parse time and location and which APIs to call on those cases.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago* (14 children)

    Okay I get you're playing devil's advocate here, but set that aside for a moment. Is it more likely that BBC has a specialized chatbot that orchestrates expert APIs including for analyzing photos, or that the reporter asked ChatGPT? Even in the unlikely event I'm wrong, what is the message to the audience? That ChatGPT can investigate just as well as BBC. Which may well be the case, but it oughtn't be.

    My second point still stands. If you sent someone to look at the thing and it's fine, I can tell you the photo is fake or manipulated without even looking at the damn thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    ChatGPT is a fronted for specialized modules.

    If you e.g. ask it to do maths, it will not do it via LLM but run it through a maths module.

    I don't know for a fact whether it has a photo analysis module, but I'd be surprised if it didn't.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    It's not like BBC is a single person with no skill other than a driving license and at least one functional eye.

    Hell, they don't even need to go, just call the local services.

    For me it's most likely that they have a specialized tool than an LLM detecting correctly tampering with the photo.

    But if you say it's unlikely you're wrong, then I must be wrong I guess.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    what is the message to the audience? That ChatGPT can investigate just as well as BBC.

    What about this part?

    Either it's irresponsible to use ChatGPT to analyze the photo or it's irresponsible to present to the reader that chatbots can do the job. Particularly when they've done the investigation the proper way.

    Deliberate or not, they are encouraging Facebook conspiracy debates by people who lead AI to tell them a photo is fake and think that's just as valid as BBC reporting.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (7 children)

    About that part I would say the article doesn't mention ChatGPT, only AI.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    "AI Chatbot". Which is what to 99% of people, almost certainly inciting the journalist who doesn't live under a rock? They are just avoiding naming it.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Yes. It's ChatGPT. You got them good. You passed the test Neo. Now get the pills.

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)
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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    No. You are the one who knows, without doubt, they used ChatGPT and can't be wrong. If you think "hey, there are other options, don't jump to unproven conclusions" is to like to argue I'm not the one with a problem.

    I'm open to being proven wrong, but you need a bit more than "trust me, I must know".

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    The article says they used ChatGPT or some similar LLM bot. It says they used a chatbot, and that's what the word chatbot means by default. A skilled reporter mentions if it was something else.

    The reporter used a chatbot such as ChatGPT to ask if there's anything suspicious in the image, the chatbot, by coincidence, happened to point out something in the photo that the reporter could then recognise as AI-generated indeed, and got on typing his article again.

    The only part of this that is not mentioned in the article is that the reporter confirmed the referred spot in the image with his own eyes, but that is such an integral part of a reporter's education that you need specific reasons to work against the assumption that this was done.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The article says they used ChatGPT or some similar LLM bot.

    No it doesn't.

    It says they used a chatbot, and that's what the word chatbot means by default.

    No it's not

    The reporter used a chatbot such as ChatGPT

    The article doesn't say the kind of chatbot, not chatbot means LLM or ChatGPT.

    I'm not going to continue. It's just going in circles.

    Are you sure you're not the LLM?

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    I don't think it's irresponsible to suggest to readers that they can use an AI chatbot to examine any given image to see if it was AI-generated. Even the lowest-performing multi-model chatbots (e.g. Grok and ChatGPT) can do that pretty effectively.

    Also: Why stop at one? Try a whole bunch! Especially if you're a reporter working for the BBC!

    It's not like they give an answer, "yes: Definitely fake" or "no: Definitely real." They will analyze the image and give you some information about it such as tell-tale signs that an image could have been faked.

    But why speculate? Try it right fucking now: Ask ChatGPT or Gemini (the current king at such things BTW... For the next month at least hahaha) if any given image is fake. It only takes a minute or two to test it out with a bunch of images!

    Then come back and tell us that's irresponsible with some screenshots demonstrating why.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    I don't need to do that. And what's more, it wouldn't be any kind of proof because I can bias the results just by how I phrase the query. I've been using AI for 6 years and use it on a near-daily basis. I'm very familiar with what it can do and what it can't.

    Between bias and randomness, you will have images that are evaluated as both fake and real at different times to different people. What use is that?

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