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[–] galanthus@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (27 children)

The way I see it, is that the jury should determine guilt, regardless of the punishment, which is determined by the law. So I would say he is guilty.

Murder is a grave crime, and while it is possible to rationalise it using radical ideologies and it seems to me that Luigi was personally affected by the healthcare system, but this changes nothing.

When someone commits murder, kills another human being, he loses a part of their humanity in a way. Turns away from his morality, from his soul. This is what "crime and punishment" is about, I certainly reccomend the novel. No rationalisations will compensate for the horror that is a murder of a fellow human being.

And the people that treat him like a hero are doing him a disservice. How is he supposed to understand the gravity of his moral offence and regret it if he is lauded for it? I feel nothing but pity for the man.

[–] Vespair@lemm.ee 7 points 6 days ago (24 children)

How is he supposed to understand the gravity of his moral offence and regret it if he is lauded for it?

I want to ask a difficult question of you. Why does he need to do this? I'm not being cute, I'm being sincere, because I think this comes down to a sense of sanctimony that just doesn't exist in reality. There is no cosmic scorecard, no universal force or karma, nothing beyond what we have in the world in front of us. So I ask in, with that in mind, what is the actual moral imperative you feel that he must experience this weight and regret? What is different in the world if he does not?

Beyond that, I'd like to state that I'm well aware of the jury's role in determining guilt, not punishment, and stand by my statement that I would be unable to recommend a guilty verdict. It's not out of a desire for him to serve lesser punishment, it's out of an understanding that humanity and murder are nuanced and that not all killing is murder, and sometimes you do in fact need a dragonslayer to keep the village safe.

[–] galanthus@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (23 children)

A person that commits murder and does not feel guilty is a person that turns away from his soul. I believe that any person that strays away from our values and morals is losing something very important.

So this is not a case of what would change in the world, as you put it, but what would change for the murderer. What kind of person will he be? I believe that every murderer suffers, in a sense, and again, I recommend you read "Crime and punishment", it's a masterpiece.

That being said, I would like to ask you a somewhat off-topic question about something you said:

There is no cosmic scorecard, no universal force or karma, nothing beyond what we have in the world in front of us. So I ask in, with that in mind, what is the actual moral imperative you feel that he must experience this weight and regret?

It seems to me that you are saying that the moral imperative I might feel is not ontologically grounded, since there is not higher power. But wouldn't any morality then be not grounded in anything, if you accept both these criteria for what is legitimately moral and the atheistic worldview?

[–] Agrivar@lemmy.world 4 points 6 days ago

Thank you for clarifying that you're a religious nutter. I can now block your dumb ass in good conscience.

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