▲ 965 ▼ Oh, good: Discord's age verification rollout has ties to Palantir co-founder and panopticon architect Peter Thiel (www.pcgamer.com) submitted 7 months ago by inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca 99 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] RelativityRanger@lemmy.ca 7 points 7 months ago (5 children) Stoat is centralized and has no e2ee permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] CarrieForle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 months ago It's easier to use. Besides Matrix e2ee is opt-out, and lots of public room disabled that. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (3 children) Stoat isn't perfect, but it is the best replacement. It is open source and the developers work on a volunteer basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Stoat is missing video calls and screen sharing, both of which Movim has while still being federated and encrypted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) They have those features coded but can't implement because of infrastructure issues. This is the first time that I have seen Movim talked about other than being mentioned in lists. It also seems to have some barrier to entry, try explaining federation to anyone not in tech. I can't run a community on that. At least people have heard of Matrix if I want to be decentralized. I am open to suggestions for practical solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) They don't really need to understand the federation to use it in practice, same as here on lemmy, and same as email. Most people don't actually understand how email works or that it's federated, they just know to put the right @domain.com at the end and it works for them. If you attempted to explain how email works to someone, it'd sound really complicated and off-putting to non-techies too, but if they know just enough to make it work, it seems simple. I'd only explain it to people who are curious enough to ask about it. Otherwise, all anyone would need to do is just direct new users toward the Movim site, create an account (no email required, just a username and password), and bam, they're up and running right in their browser and can start connecting to friends. All they need to know is a username or the name of a group, which is in the exact same format as email so it'll already feel familiar (Person@domain[.]net, or InterestingHobby@domain[.]com). Since it doesn't need an email and works right in the browser, it's really quick to try. Why not give it a shot with a friend for a bit to see if it could work for you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CarrieForle@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 7 months ago It's easier to use. Besides Matrix e2ee is opt-out, and lots of public room disabled that. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (3 children) Stoat isn't perfect, but it is the best replacement. It is open source and the developers work on a volunteer basis. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Stoat is missing video calls and screen sharing, both of which Movim has while still being federated and encrypted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) They have those features coded but can't implement because of infrastructure issues. This is the first time that I have seen Movim talked about other than being mentioned in lists. It also seems to have some barrier to entry, try explaining federation to anyone not in tech. I can't run a community on that. At least people have heard of Matrix if I want to be decentralized. I am open to suggestions for practical solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) They don't really need to understand the federation to use it in practice, same as here on lemmy, and same as email. Most people don't actually understand how email works or that it's federated, they just know to put the right @domain.com at the end and it works for them. If you attempted to explain how email works to someone, it'd sound really complicated and off-putting to non-techies too, but if they know just enough to make it work, it seems simple. I'd only explain it to people who are curious enough to ask about it. Otherwise, all anyone would need to do is just direct new users toward the Movim site, create an account (no email required, just a username and password), and bam, they're up and running right in their browser and can start connecting to friends. All they need to know is a username or the name of a group, which is in the exact same format as email so it'll already feel familiar (Person@domain[.]net, or InterestingHobby@domain[.]com). Since it doesn't need an email and works right in the browser, it's really quick to try. Why not give it a shot with a friend for a bit to see if it could work for you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 4 points 7 months ago (2 children) Stoat is missing video calls and screen sharing, both of which Movim has while still being federated and encrypted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) They have those features coded but can't implement because of infrastructure issues. This is the first time that I have seen Movim talked about other than being mentioned in lists. It also seems to have some barrier to entry, try explaining federation to anyone not in tech. I can't run a community on that. At least people have heard of Matrix if I want to be decentralized. I am open to suggestions for practical solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) They don't really need to understand the federation to use it in practice, same as here on lemmy, and same as email. Most people don't actually understand how email works or that it's federated, they just know to put the right @domain.com at the end and it works for them. If you attempted to explain how email works to someone, it'd sound really complicated and off-putting to non-techies too, but if they know just enough to make it work, it seems simple. I'd only explain it to people who are curious enough to ask about it. Otherwise, all anyone would need to do is just direct new users toward the Movim site, create an account (no email required, just a username and password), and bam, they're up and running right in their browser and can start connecting to friends. All they need to know is a username or the name of a group, which is in the exact same format as email so it'll already feel familiar (Person@domain[.]net, or InterestingHobby@domain[.]com). Since it doesn't need an email and works right in the browser, it's really quick to try. Why not give it a shot with a friend for a bit to see if it could work for you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SleeplessCityLights@programming.dev 3 points 7 months ago (1 child) They have those features coded but can't implement because of infrastructure issues. This is the first time that I have seen Movim talked about other than being mentioned in lists. It also seems to have some barrier to entry, try explaining federation to anyone not in tech. I can't run a community on that. At least people have heard of Matrix if I want to be decentralized. I am open to suggestions for practical solutions. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) They don't really need to understand the federation to use it in practice, same as here on lemmy, and same as email. Most people don't actually understand how email works or that it's federated, they just know to put the right @domain.com at the end and it works for them. If you attempted to explain how email works to someone, it'd sound really complicated and off-putting to non-techies too, but if they know just enough to make it work, it seems simple. I'd only explain it to people who are curious enough to ask about it. Otherwise, all anyone would need to do is just direct new users toward the Movim site, create an account (no email required, just a username and password), and bam, they're up and running right in their browser and can start connecting to friends. All they need to know is a username or the name of a group, which is in the exact same format as email so it'll already feel familiar (Person@domain[.]net, or InterestingHobby@domain[.]com). Since it doesn't need an email and works right in the browser, it's really quick to try. Why not give it a shot with a friend for a bit to see if it could work for you? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CafeFrog@lemmy.cafe 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) They don't really need to understand the federation to use it in practice, same as here on lemmy, and same as email. Most people don't actually understand how email works or that it's federated, they just know to put the right @domain.com at the end and it works for them. If you attempted to explain how email works to someone, it'd sound really complicated and off-putting to non-techies too, but if they know just enough to make it work, it seems simple. I'd only explain it to people who are curious enough to ask about it. Otherwise, all anyone would need to do is just direct new users toward the Movim site, create an account (no email required, just a username and password), and bam, they're up and running right in their browser and can start connecting to friends. All they need to know is a username or the name of a group, which is in the exact same format as email so it'll already feel familiar (Person@domain[.]net, or InterestingHobby@domain[.]com). Since it doesn't need an email and works right in the browser, it's really quick to try. Why not give it a shot with a friend for a bit to see if it could work for you? permalink fedilink source parent