▲ 623 ▼ "China is AuThORItAriAN!" - Liberals (europe.pub) submitted 6 months ago by Smackyroon@lemmy.ml to c/memes@lemmy.ml 451 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[+] Yliaster@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (54 children) You can be against US and Chinese fascism simultaneously. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 54 child comments replies: [–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 22 points 6 months ago (33 children) Chinese fascism Just say you don't know what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments load more comments (33 replies) [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago (19 children) In what way is China fascist? It's a socialist country, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] Akasazh@lemmy.world -9 points 6 months ago (3 children) Authoritarianism, violent oppression of minorites and dissenting movements, deeply ingrained surveillance state with state censorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago China does not violently oppress minorities, and wielding state authority, censorship, and surveilance against capitalists and fascists is necessary for a socialist state, and doesn't make it fascist. Fascism is capitalism violently defending itself from decay and solidifying bourgeois control, not proletarian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago But enough about the US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Magnanimuzedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago But those are actions of the US empire. Projecting them onto China isn't a good thing permalink fedilink source parent [+] Yliaster@lemmy.world -11 points 6 months ago (14 children) Surveillance and political suppression for one. Media, journalism, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (13 children) That's not what fascism means, especially when these are used against capitalists most of all, and not against the working classes nearly as much. Fascism is capitalism violently entrenching itself when it finds itself in crisis, it isn't when a socialist state uses state power to keep capitalists under control and expropriate their property. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] LwL@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's not what fascism is either lol I wouldn't call china fascist, though doubtlessly authoritarian. But I don't have nearly as much info on china, it seems to me the persecution of minorities is less of a central political scapegoat and more some weird side thing. But without speaking chinese, I might be wrong. The US had plenty of fascist characteristics at this point and is rather open about the persecution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago The US is fascist because it's in crisis. Imperialism is decaying and austerity is being brought inward. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies)
[–] QinShiHuangsShlong@lemmy.ml 22 points 6 months ago (33 children) Chinese fascism Just say you don't know what you're talking about. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 33 child comments load more comments (33 replies)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 16 points 6 months ago (19 children) In what way is China fascist? It's a socialist country, public ownership is the principle aspect of the economy and the working classes control the state. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 19 child comments replies: [+] Akasazh@lemmy.world -9 points 6 months ago (3 children) Authoritarianism, violent oppression of minorites and dissenting movements, deeply ingrained surveillance state with state censorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago China does not violently oppress minorities, and wielding state authority, censorship, and surveilance against capitalists and fascists is necessary for a socialist state, and doesn't make it fascist. Fascism is capitalism violently defending itself from decay and solidifying bourgeois control, not proletarian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago But enough about the US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Magnanimuzedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago But those are actions of the US empire. Projecting them onto China isn't a good thing permalink fedilink source parent [+] Yliaster@lemmy.world -11 points 6 months ago (14 children) Surveillance and political suppression for one. Media, journalism, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (13 children) That's not what fascism means, especially when these are used against capitalists most of all, and not against the working classes nearly as much. Fascism is capitalism violently entrenching itself when it finds itself in crisis, it isn't when a socialist state uses state power to keep capitalists under control and expropriate their property. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] LwL@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's not what fascism is either lol I wouldn't call china fascist, though doubtlessly authoritarian. But I don't have nearly as much info on china, it seems to me the persecution of minorities is less of a central political scapegoat and more some weird side thing. But without speaking chinese, I might be wrong. The US had plenty of fascist characteristics at this point and is rather open about the persecution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago The US is fascist because it's in crisis. Imperialism is decaying and austerity is being brought inward. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies)
[+] Akasazh@lemmy.world -9 points 6 months ago (3 children) Authoritarianism, violent oppression of minorites and dissenting movements, deeply ingrained surveillance state with state censorship. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago China does not violently oppress minorities, and wielding state authority, censorship, and surveilance against capitalists and fascists is necessary for a socialist state, and doesn't make it fascist. Fascism is capitalism violently defending itself from decay and solidifying bourgeois control, not proletarian. permalink fedilink source parent [–] davel@lemmy.ml 12 points 6 months ago But enough about the US. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Magnanimuzedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago But those are actions of the US empire. Projecting them onto China isn't a good thing permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago China does not violently oppress minorities, and wielding state authority, censorship, and surveilance against capitalists and fascists is necessary for a socialist state, and doesn't make it fascist. Fascism is capitalism violently defending itself from decay and solidifying bourgeois control, not proletarian. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Magnanimuzedong@lemmygrad.ml 5 points 6 months ago But those are actions of the US empire. Projecting them onto China isn't a good thing permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Yliaster@lemmy.world -11 points 6 months ago (14 children) Surveillance and political suppression for one. Media, journalism, etc. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (13 children) That's not what fascism means, especially when these are used against capitalists most of all, and not against the working classes nearly as much. Fascism is capitalism violently entrenching itself when it finds itself in crisis, it isn't when a socialist state uses state power to keep capitalists under control and expropriate their property. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] LwL@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's not what fascism is either lol I wouldn't call china fascist, though doubtlessly authoritarian. But I don't have nearly as much info on china, it seems to me the persecution of minorities is less of a central political scapegoat and more some weird side thing. But without speaking chinese, I might be wrong. The US had plenty of fascist characteristics at this point and is rather open about the persecution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago The US is fascist because it's in crisis. Imperialism is decaying and austerity is being brought inward. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies)
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 15 points 6 months ago (13 children) That's not what fascism means, especially when these are used against capitalists most of all, and not against the working classes nearly as much. Fascism is capitalism violently entrenching itself when it finds itself in crisis, it isn't when a socialist state uses state power to keep capitalists under control and expropriate their property. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 13 child comments replies: [+] LwL@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's not what fascism is either lol I wouldn't call china fascist, though doubtlessly authoritarian. But I don't have nearly as much info on china, it seems to me the persecution of minorities is less of a central political scapegoat and more some weird side thing. But without speaking chinese, I might be wrong. The US had plenty of fascist characteristics at this point and is rather open about the persecution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago The US is fascist because it's in crisis. Imperialism is decaying and austerity is being brought inward. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (11 replies)
[+] LwL@lemmy.world -10 points 6 months ago (1 child) That's not what fascism is either lol I wouldn't call china fascist, though doubtlessly authoritarian. But I don't have nearly as much info on china, it seems to me the persecution of minorities is less of a central political scapegoat and more some weird side thing. But without speaking chinese, I might be wrong. The US had plenty of fascist characteristics at this point and is rather open about the persecution. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago The US is fascist because it's in crisis. Imperialism is decaying and austerity is being brought inward. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 points 6 months ago The US is fascist because it's in crisis. Imperialism is decaying and austerity is being brought inward. permalink fedilink source parent