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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 7 months ago (10 children)

I'm not sure if I'm reading your intent correctly or not, but the AI agents actually excel at "puddle jumper" tasks. Stupid stuff that you could write a one-off script for, but damn that's a lot of hassle. This afternoon a colleague and I were putting together a powerpoint slide deck based on a folder full of disorganized garbage. Claude digested the garbage and wrote a python script that wrote the .pdf and I'd swear it took almost as long to open Office 365 Power Point as it did for Claude to write the script that wrote the 7 slide .ppt file.

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[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (9 children)

I get that it's convenient

I'm saying it's unsafe to use if you don't already completely understand the output

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 7 months ago (8 children)

it’s unsafe to use if you don’t already completely understand the output

Yeah, and that has been true of "modern tools" since forever. Somebody picks up a chainsaw - looks easy...

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[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

There are safety courses for dangerous machinery

https://www.ihsa.ca/Training/Courses/Chainsaw-Operation-and-Maintenance-(2024).aspx

AI safety is not being considered by businesses.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 7 months ago (6 children)

How long after the chainsaw came out did they develop those safety courses?

How long after the ladder was invented and widely used before OSHA and similar started codifying "don't be an idiot, people get dead that way."?

Business just about always rushes into "the new thing" seeking "first mover advantage" which often involves a lot of coloring outside the regulatory lines before those lines get drawn - in some ways legitimately hoping to establish valuable use cases that shouldn't be arbitrarily impeded by overly restrictive regulation - but in most ways just trying to grab cash for the next quarterly report.

Responsible businesses are telling their employees to "use it wisely" - Risky Businesses? They're out to make money as fast as they can, and "clean up their act" before they get busted, but not before they maximize their cash grab.

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[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 7 months ago (5 children)

The cherry picker was invented because ladders are bad, and they are much safer than ladders. Businesses started using them because it's a better and safer tool for the job.

Your "reasonable businesses" are still playing. They are asking their employees to produce more and understand less.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

They are asking their employees to produce more

always

and understand less.

Usually not. At least from where I sit, we retain employees with experience / understanding, even at 2-3x the pay of alternate new hires who have all the degrees and certifications to wear the hat. AI is a tool to help leverage your existing understanding, not enable you to make "expert decisions" about things you know little or nothing about.

There are plenty of places that just hire the cheapest they can get, I took a job with one - briefly - 15 years back, before I found a better place. They didn't impress me as actually efficient while I was there: headcount was high, labor cost was low for the headcount, but high for the actual productivity. They also didn't survive COVID as a business.

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[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

Usually not. At least from where I sit

Well that's fairly privileged for you.

You still haven't said anything about what ways your business encourages safe use of the thing. Tradesmen have a long history of training new workers on how to work safely.

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

what ways your business encourages safe use of the thing.

We have extensive regulatory quality safety procedural frameworks in place around pretty much everything we do, regardless of how we do it. So, we use AI as a tool to make us more efficient in the things we already know how to do, we don't use AI to replace expertise we don't have on hand, or let it "do our jobs for us." Our job is to put the right things on the page, if AI does that for us, that makes us more efficient, but if AI does it wrong and we don't catch it, that's us not doing our jobs correctly, grounds for disciplinary action, firing, potential legal exposure, etc.

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[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

Yeah, you're a 747 pilot. You're the exception, not the mode

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[–] MangoCats@feddit.it 1 point 7 months ago

Well, if the puddle jumper pilot is dumb enough to hop in the cockpit of the 747 with 500 souls on board and use AI to get tower clearance to taxi to the active and take-off, he - and everybody who might be paying him - deserve the jail terms they should be serving.

If you get an MRI that shows your child has a brain tumor, you don't buy yourself a skull saw and scalpel to save a few bucks using AI to guide DIY removal surgery.

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