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I'm really surprised I know about this and you don't. I would appreciate you looking into it before dismissing it.
I'm not sure what you're refering to
I read a book a long time ago about it. Maybe I still have it, I'll look after I recover enough. But the account @davel@lemmy.ml posted seems to align largely with what I recall. In short, if it's a Western narrative, take it with several kilos of salt.
Perhaps it was on of Chomsky’s works on the topic.
No it was someone I'd never heard of. I'm going to look to see if I still have the book or gave it away when I recover enough to be out of bed. I'm not even getting regular meals and baths rn.
It may have been this one, I really can't remember.
It's an anti-Western narrative. NATO wanted the genocide to happen to kill Bosnian Muslims. They blocked weapons to both sides because they knew it would functionally give the Serbs the opportunity to genocide the Bosnians. And they knew of the genocide while they were happening. In the end they rewarded the Serbs for committing the genocide. It's all pretty clearly laid out in the video.
This is ass-backwards.
As usual, the US and its allies wanted to destabilize Yugoslavia for the purposes of regime change or Balkanization, and as usual it found a group to foment, supply, train, and fund: a minority separatist movement among Muslims within Yugoslavia and across the border in Albania.
The imperialists weren’t on anyone’s side but their own, and the only outcome they cared about was replacing the government with ones that were subservient and/or weak.
The Serbs enacting laws favoring themselves after the death of Tito did a great job of spreading those ethnic tensions as well. Sure NATO loves doing divide and conquer but it's not a one-sided affair there.
And it in no way explains why NATO would block arms to the Bosnians while the Serbs had plenty of weapons leading to the one-sided massacres. Nor why they would reward the Serbs for doing genocide afterwards.
It never is. The US and pals always take advantage of whatever contradictions already exist that they can exacerbate. It makes no sense to start from whole cloth when every relationship has tensions that can be leveraged.
I don’t have time to re-litigate this today, but if you’re going to hang on BE’s every word, you should listen to his opinion on “genocide” as a trump card, and relatedly the problem with black and white thinking: The Problem with Genocide
Previously.
Certainly genocide is used as a convenient political term, (I've already watched that video quite a while ago) but even the Serbs were like "yep we're doing genocide we want a state for Serbs only!". Then they ordered top-down systemic massacres of Bosnians and Croats.
The casualty statistics as BE mentions are also just telling by themselves: 83% of Bosnians killed were civilians. But "only" 10% of Serbs killed were civilians. This by itself basically proves that Bosnians did commit massacres on civilians but it wasn't top-down policy.
https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:To_kill_a_nation
So I'm only in the second chapter, but does any of this sound familiar to you?
BE basically addresses that at the beginning of the video.
Yugoslavia was a very successful nation until the 1980's, but after the death of Tito the economy started stagnating and then it was ripe for ethnic tensions from the populations which had existed before to resurface. The Serbs with the majority voting in favor for pro-Serbs legislation didn't help.
Why did the economy start stagnating?
I'll read on because I rather trust Parenti’s analyses over YT trust me bros that are having monetized and treated to with with s fascist regime tand inform on the liberal by painting him as commie,because the insult wars hurt his feelings.
Well would ya lookit that. Chapter 3 really gets into it.
The book is freely available, for the rest
I think for the book it's moreso chapter 10: "demonizing the Serbs" https://en.prolewiki.org/wiki/Library:To_kill_a_nation/Demonizing_the_Serbs
Basically the Serbs are being portrayed by Parenti as poor innocent victims of NATO, but even by just looking at the massive civilian casualty rate it's pretty obvious that's not going to hold. Combine that with NATO actually favoring the Serbs by blocking weapons when only the Serbs had them, and the pro-Serb resolution of the genocide, and it turns out NATO didn't actually favor the Croats or Bosnians as like Parenti claims.
Did you really... Did you just jump around hoping to find something... anything... To confirm your bias?
He does nothing of the sort. Before reading I looked around for an audio copy Both in the book and lectures, he outright says Yugoslavia has plenty of blood blame. He suggests an honest inquiry. I'll read the whole book before I rush to give my faulty memory version or accept a Western narrative just because some half-cocked, half-informed yt guy who threatened to help a fascist regime imprison a lib as a commie said something. And you should too.
Are we talking about the Bosnian war or the Kosovo war? My comments pertain to the Bosnian war and I think your quote is talking about Kosovo.
Also I'm not sure where the "BE is an imperialist" notion comes from. He's quite explicitly saying that you'll usually be on the right side of history by taking the opposite position of any Western narrative but this is one of the rare exceptions.
I think they're related.
I didnt say he was an imperialist. I said what I said. Frankly they're both humans who seem to say weird things.
Of course they're related but there were real systemic atrocities committed by the Serbs against the Croats and Bosnians with NATO support of the weapons blockade and NATO then rewarded them for it with Republic Srbpska.
Likewise NATO did Iran-Contra but that doesn't mean they somehow support Iran. Maximizing casualties on both sides is always convenient for NATO.
Huh. I just remembered you clamming up after being presented evidence the Bolsheviks were punishing people persisting with pogroms. I see you.
What are you even talking about right now I never had a discussion about that
Yes we did. I wanted to investigate with you. You didn't. I did anyway.
Did I explicitly say I didn't want to investigate it or did I not respond to a comment? My Lemmy inbox frequently has 30+ messages from posts and occasionally I just press "read all" instead of reading everything first to clear it. If you can remind me what where this was you might be right but I don't recall it.
It was a long time ago but I think it was probably related to the ongoing Palestinian genocide and wound back around to WW2 and the interment and mass murder of Jewish and other groups. So then back around to the Bolshevik revolution and programs. Don't worry yourself too much over it, sometimes we both get way overinvested in internet political discussions. I still recognize the very valuable contributions you make to raising awareness and appreciate your work. I also don't think you're a bad person, just human like the rest of us.
Thanks likewise. I might be wrong about Yugoslavia btw, I've read chapters of the book (and some other stuff some time ago) but and my knowledge on it isn't that deep. I also watched the BE video and the BE video still seems to hold up, it's not denying Parenti book but just adding additional important context. But I've already got enough stuff going on along with my posting so I don't really feel like reading the entire history of the Bosnian war so if I'm wrong on this one I'll just take the L.
You're welcome and thank you. I have a deep respect for you. I could be misremembering as well, we're human, it happens. And we both have lives outside the internet, and should be able and allowed to live them abundantly, and in peace. May it be so, forevermore.
I wouldn't count it as an L, either way. While it may temporarily embarrass our egos, perhaps we learn and grow more by learning where we are mistaken, plus it helps us to stop/not lead others amiss.
Namaste, if you catch my drift. 🙏❤️🫂
That's not what happened.
Everything NATO did favored the Serbs and the genocide at Srebrenica was the pinnacle of an example. They disarmed the Bosnians and then let the Serbs slaughter them.
The fuck? Everything NATO did was against the Serbs, they declared no fly zone, bombed them, NATO members like Germany armed and supported anti-Yugoslavian separatists, US armed and traind Bosnaks militias, US propaganda was against Serbs all the time, you can even see that continuing today when a hacks like BE attack antiimperialists.
That literally is what happened. NATO let the Srebrenica genocide happen willingly. All the receipts are in the video.
In any case it's all adhoms against BE so as usual safe to say I'm right.
I don't even know how to respond to historical revisionism of such brazen unreality level. You seriously just fucking ignored decade of NATO destroying Yugoslavia because BE, whose open nonsense against AES is well know, said so.
You can ignore a 30 minute video full of receipts and substitute in your own reality after adhomming the author but you are still completely unable to explain how the NATO weapons blockade actually favored the Bosnians. In any case we're done with this discussion you clearly have nothing.
Receipts for what, half of former Yugoslavia ethnically cleansed from Serbs under the NATO umbrella? Don't shift the goalpost from your absurd claim that everything NATO did favoured the Serbs:
The "Republic Srbpska" went from 55% Serbs to 90% Serbs by genociding Bosnians
Nobody denied this genocide, but you apparently deny all the others in Yugoslavia, just as US propaganda want.
It's a hyperbole of course there are some things which favored the Bosnians but likewise you can have Zionists saying NATO is pro-Palestine because NATO did a pro-Palestine thing once.
The process and end result was heavily Serb favored by NATO. The casualty statistics as BE mentions are also just telling by themselves: 83% of Bosnians killed were civilians. But “only” 10% of Serbs killed were civilians. This by itself basically proves that Bosnians did commit massacres on civilians but it wasn’t top-down policy like it was for the Serbs.
I have to refresh my memory, I don't want to speak further before I do that.