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[–] 46 points 3 months ago (43 children)

Having better weapons than your enemy will make you safer, yes. And when they've been trying to conquer you for a thousand years or so, I think that's a fair approach.

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  • [–] 7 points 3 months ago (10 children)

    I mean I do have to ask, what's the main perk of AI drones. IE finding one guy who can sit on a chair and pilot a remote drone, still seems significantly cheaper and more reliable than hope the AI can differentiate a group of school children from a military opperation. (though with the track records I've seen of most militaries, probably not much).

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  • [–] 28 points 3 months ago

    Depends on what you are talking about. Using an AI to work out 'viable' targets during the planning stage? That's how you end up blowing up an Iranian girls school. Using AI to highlight vehicles and steer the drone into them after the command is given? That is becoming a necessity in Ukraine, where the jamming and other counter measures make remotely flying drones more and more difficult.

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  • [–] 18 points 3 months ago

    I think the main advantage is the drone, once locked onto a target, cannot be jammed. Both sides have a bunch of handheld jammers, as well as bigger vehicle mounted ones, which is why this and fibre optic drones are so common.

    You'd hope there wouldn't be any school children in the middle of a war zone.

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  • [–] 9 points 3 months ago

    Signal jamming and disruption. The main perk of the autonomous drone is that it can continue functioning after losing contact. That is at least what I understood as one of the main drivers behind autonomous drone usage in Ukraine.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (1 child)

    Send 1000 drones to an area.

    Program them to understand what different types of targets look like, basic maps, etc.

    Program them to know what a destroyed target looks like.

    Instead of 1000 drones attacking one target over and over, you get a swarm of drones moving on from destroyed targets and they can’t be stopped by communication jammers.

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  • [–] 3 points 3 months ago

    Ukraine already had drones capable of autonomously recognize tanks, including their type, and attack them at their known weak point. If there are people inside, this can kill them. The only "revolution" here is they can now do it on smaller drones made to track humans.

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  • [–] 6 points 3 months ago

    You can have swarms of drones that gather data and feed it to eachothers continuously, each making decisions individually and as a swarm, like a swarm of bees but million times as destructive, of course.

    But it's just simply that 2 computers can communicate between eachothers so much faster and more efficiently than having humans in the loop

    Also this allows far better autonomous operation, quite like sending an elite team somewhere they have to operate with zero contact back home

    But yes, it's also really fucking terrifying thought people have actually built these things and thought it's a good idea

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Also one guy in a chair per drone is not enough with the amount of targets present. Image recognition and value/hit probability (AI) lets one guy pilot many drones (in theory, haven't seen that yet) and still have the final say whether he wants to hit the targets it suggests.

    Potentially lets you use drones farther too, find and track a target while it's flying high, confirm the thing manually, then fly below the radio horizon until it hits said target.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Isn't the problem jamming when you have remote operation so the AI doing this self sufficiently does not need a signal anymore.

    Perhaps these can be jammed too but this was part of the tech race in this war. It's why they used fiber glass cables.

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  • [+] [S] -20 points 3 months ago (31 children)

    Seems clever until you realise Russia can also stick AI on a drone and now you've handed them a golden excuse to.

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  • [–] 20 points 3 months ago (25 children)

    You don't think anyone else is already doing it now? Ukraine is the magical tech center that is the only one who can possibly invent this? 🤔

    The tech has existed for years.

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  • [+] -12 points 3 months ago (24 children)

    And yet they are the first to use it in open war.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 months ago (23 children)

    CIWS, Iron Dome, the KARGU from Turkey... Hell you could call mines autonomous if you stretched the definition enough. The cats been out of the bag for years and pretending a smaller nation playing catch-up is a world changing moral issue is just naive.

    Yes, I pointed at defensive examples. There's zero reason why similar platforms couldn't be offensively used. The tech is here, it's been here, and just like every other weapon humanity has ever created ignoring it is counterproductive.

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  • [+] -14 points 3 months ago (21 children)

    And yet they are the first to use it offensively. It's not my problem you fail to see the escalation that this invites. Good luck when the drones are coming for you.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (20 children)

    Brimstone missiles exist; a missile which picks its target itself. Ukraine is not the first country to do this.

    Furthermore, if you want the killing to stop, point your finger at the invader, Russia.

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  • [+] -15 points 3 months ago (19 children)

    Ukraine is literally the first country to use autonomous drones to kill soldiers, full stop. This is an escalation with no ceiling. I invite you to reread this comment in one year. Further, Russia wouldn't have invaded if Ukraine wasn't ethnically cleansing Russian speakers within its borders, and not building an army on its border with Russia. Fuck Russia, but fuck the Nazis in Ukraine even harder.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 months ago (16 children)

    Ah, now I see what's happening here. Thanks for the discourse, enjoy your rubles. 👍

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  • [+] -10 points 3 months ago (15 children)

    Of course you wouldn't have a response lol. Enjoy your global economic crash brought upon by America and Israel. I'm sure you'll find a way to blame Russia!

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago (14 children)

    I don't like imperialism, no matter the side. You seem to disagree with my stance.

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  • [–] 5 points 3 months ago* (12 children)

    So you also oppose Russian Imperialism and its current blood soaked war of conquest, like also with other imperialists?

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  • [–] -4 points 3 months ago (11 children)

    Is Russia trying to extract the resources of Ukraine in order to enrich its elite?

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (7 children)

    Yes (big agricultural resources, much more moderate climate than most of Russia, Russia wasted no time with taking possession of those resources in occupied regions and selling off the produced and sucking up the revenue) but it is also trying to colonise territory and get more Lebensraum for Russians, including ethnic cleansing of people refusing assimilation, filtration camps etc

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)

    Plenty of reports of Russia shipping grain from occupied regions as soon as they got their hands on it. I didn't know that was considered contested information. Nor that Ukraine being prime agricultural land needing evidence either.

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  • [–] -2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Eh pretty weak, plus the source is unable to be unbiased about Russia. I'd wait for a UN report.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago* (1 child)

    I doubt, any source would you convince you of Russia waging an Imperialist war, given your previous posts. Which leads me back to my initial point. I oppose every imperialism and don't play "gimme evidence, no that doesn't count" towards one side.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 months ago

    I mean I watched the BBC lie and obfuscate Israel's actions in Gaza for the past 3 years, I absolutely can't trust them in regards to a foreign country's actions, especially when they have every reason to make Russia look as bad as possible. Knowing bias for your news sources is critical in getting accurate information.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    Literally yes, so far the Kremlin has spent 20 times more on the occupied territories of Ukraine building roads, ports and other infrastructure than it spent on its own oblasts. ( Replacing or bypassing Infrastructure that has been destroyed or is still held in Ukrainian hands ) around captured stocks of natural resources . Literal resource extraction from occupied territory.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 months ago*

    The content of that picture does not support your claim in any way. Also, it's from a straight up western cyber security and intelligence think tank. This is not a source, it's narrative shaping.

    Provide a serious source, this shit ain't it. Right now, as far as I'm concerned, you're spreading desinformation.

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  • [–] 4 points 3 months ago (3 children)
  • [+] -9 points 3 months ago (2 children)

    I'm sure this comment will age well.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 months ago

    Ukraine had drones capable of recognizing tanks and attack them at their weakest points after losing their signal. They had it for a long time now. That was already a "terminator drone" for the tanks' crew, but at the time medias didn't make much noise about it.

    Russia still rely on drones connected by optic fibers. They still don't have autonomous tanks killers, and their drones operators are exposed because Ukraine's tech has a range advantage: their operators get to stay beyond Russian drones range.

    So no, Russia doesn't have the tech yet.

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