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Canada wants to join the age verification bandwagon and censor the internet with Bill C-34 (ca.news.yahoo.com)
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[–] 1 point 4 months ago (5 children)

Cool, FPTP in Parliamentary systems does not result in a two party system. Therefore no, your generic Americanism of 'if you don't vote for the lesser evil you're voting for the greater evil' is objectively and totally incorrect in every possible interpretation of Canadian politics or parliamentary politics in general.

I know you people are basically more American than European, but that doesn't meant you have to keep yourselves at their intelligence level.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    You're really going to try to talk to me about my own political system and call me America for not knowing better?

    It's you who doesn't understand our system, and I never mentioned once a two party state.

    We are not a two party state, I don't like the liberals, and the only thing I said was that An NDP vote in most ridings for our last election would be in effect a vote in favor of the Tory in that riding. As in most ridings the liberals were the most likely to beat the Tories.

    We need to vote strategically in our system of we don't want to throw away our votes or support Tories.

    That's the reality of our system, I'm not that interested in the fantasy version where we vote NDP and then everyone gets a rainbow and a family doctor and an education

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (3 children)

    It’s you who doesn’t understand our system, and I never mentioned once a two party state.

    Yes, yes you did. You said:

    and the only thing I said was that An NDP vote in most ridings for our last election would be in effect a vote in favor of the Tory in that riding. As in most ridings the liberals were the most likely to beat the Tories.

    This is a two party system that you're describing.

    This is not what you have. A vote for a party is a vote for that party (or coalition). It is not a vote for whom you believe is the enemy party because its not for your preferred party.

    Americans use the exact same reasoning, which resulted in the last two presidents having approval ratings under 40% within 2 years. "If you don't vote for 'shitty compromise which is objectively as bad as this other party but marginally different, you're just voting for the other party.'

    We need to vote strategically in our system of we don’t want to throw away our votes or support Tories.

    No. You have a parliamentary system. This is specifically designed to not devolve or degenerate into a two party system via 'strategic' aka American-style voting decisions. You vote for what you want. The more parties that win seats, the less power any party has, and the need for coalitions increases, which results in a better outcome than the American-style system you're ascribing to Canada.

    You have the solution to two-party politics. You have the solution to strategic voting. It's already implemented. You just need to not ruin it by doing American-style politics. That's it.

    That’s the reality of our system, I’m not that interested in the fantasy version where we vote NDP and then everyone gets a rainbow and a family doctor and an education

    No, if everyone voted for the party that most represented their interests, then no single party has power and a coalition will have to form to produce a PM. Then you get a half rainbow, a chiropractor, and free American college; which is a half measure but infinitely better than sabotaging yourself because you think this is a team sport.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    Thanks for confirming you truly don't understand our politics or system at all.

    Assume I want to vote for party A, party B is acceptable to me, party C is unacceptable to me.

    Polling shows party B and C are virtually neck and neck, party A is unlikely to win.

    I vote for party B, party B wins, we get a chiropractor.

    I vote for party A, party C wins, and we get fascism.

    Explain to me why I should take a principled stance and vote A anyway. After all they're who I most want to vote for

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  • [–] 1 point 4 months ago (1 child)

    Because if you vote for Party A and x number of people vote for party A, Party A gets x number of seats. You have a parliamentary system. Seats are awarded based on the percentage of votes. You vote for Party B Party A gets fewer seats, you are awarding mediocrity. If Party A and B are actually similar, then they will form a coalition and simply out number Party C making Party C unable to do anything.

    You do not have a two party system. You have a Parliamentary system. You do not have a winner take all zero sum system, you have a parliamentary system.

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  • [–] 0 points 4 months ago

    Ahahaha. Thank you.

    Yes, we do have a parliamentary system. No, seats are not awarded based on % of the vote. That's literally what I've been trying to tell you.

    We do not have any form of proportional representation. We do not award any seats based on vote totals or %. We have a representative elected for each riding decided on first past the post basis.

    That means in every riding there is 1 winner whether there are 2 parties or 15 parties running for that seat, and if you live in that riding and vote based on your feelings instead of strategically, you split the vote.

    In any individual riding if the Tories win 35%, liberals 34%, NDP, 31% the Tories win that riding and have 1 seat in parliament. The liberals and NDP get nothing.

    This repeats over every riding in the country and you get a house that's 100% Tory despite winning barely more than a third of the vote while libs and new Dems account for 2/3ds.

    Are you finally ready to admit that you have no fucking idea how Canada works

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