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[โ€“] testaccount789@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"God sees everything."
"Nah, doesn't count."

[โ€“] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de -1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

He exists all the time, ahead of time. I am sure He would not be micromanaging each individual creation like Jeff Bezos micromanages his piss breaks. Regardless, as per my other reply, the quote doesn't count as all standards have been overruled by the new testament. Before you ask why there are new/old testaments despite "existing all the time", I say He just fast forwarded then saw what happened and pushed the Jesus update to fix it.

[โ€“] min@lemmy.sdf.org 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

How do you interpret Matthew 5:17 - 5:18 regarding the Jesus update? Isn't this Jesus saying that the old testament still stands?

[โ€“] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

It says "fullfill". "I came here not to abolish" quite literally means that the old testament were to still be considered part of the Christian bible and kept for reference. It's a bit difficult for me to define "fullfill", although the "New Living Translation" (which I found here) is, in my opinion, more clear on it with "accomplish their purpose". "Purpose" refers to the one described in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supersessionism

[โ€“] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

You forgot the rest.

18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth pass away, not one letter,[a] not one stroke of a letter, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore, whoever breaks[b] one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus is explicitly speaking on the law and prophets, meaning the Torah and Nevi'im, basically the entire old testament. He said not a single stroke of a letter will pass from the law until heaven and earth pass away, meaning FOREVER or until end times when a new heaven is created on earth, depending on your interpretation.

Seeing as earth is still here, all has not been accomplished.

[โ€“] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Oh come on, we could be debating here all day, that's why there are multiple branches of Christianity in the first place.

Also, correct, not a single stroke of a letter "passed". We were just looking at translations of these strokes of letters. Doesn't mean all of them are still in effect.

Another way to think of it. There are two time conditions specified, "until heaven and earth pass away" and "until all is accomplished". One could assume the first was just filler and second refers to when Jesus finishes teaching everyone.

[โ€“] Seppo@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Have you considered deprogramming? There are people who can help.

[โ€“] diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I beg your pardon, did I say something negative or was there another reason for such an offer? Like the belief in Jeff Bezos? I wouldn't judge.