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[–] Murse@slrpnk.net 21 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Murican here. If we're going to learn from our fuck around phase, the find out phase needs to hurt.

Like an alcoholic waking up to a hangover from hell and vowing to never let that happen again, that hangover could be the best thing that's ever happened to the addict.

The more our president throws his tantrums, the more we should be shunned, isolated, and ignored by the rest of the planet. Politically and financially.

To the non-muricans here, sorry for being such a shitty neighbor. I look forward to earning back your respect - hopefully that day comes soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

How can there be there earning back respect? The US is a two party system, so even if there's a good president a few years later the next bozo comes around drives things back to shit again.

Trump has managed to terminally damage transatlantic relationships, this will result in a new world order in the long run. Over here in the EU thinking about sovereignty is suddenly a thing, getting independent of others.

There can be trade with the US in the future, but no trust anymore. Interestingly the long term view is viewing the US a lot like China, someone whom you cooperate with economically but do not trust on a political level.

Of course a less shitty period in governance would ease things a bit over, but there's no way the next guy like Trump will grab power in 10 years or so. The American political system is built in a way that it just flip-flops between the big parties. IMO the population and elections are just a minor side function of this.

As fucked up as out system is over here, I'm fucking happy we have a parliament and not "winner takes it all". At least it feels a bit like voters have a bit of influence.

[–] Murse@slrpnk.net 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

How can there be earning back respect?

Major political reform, modelled after the more functional parts of the world. Emphasis on a rewrite of the Constitution with protections built in against domestic enemies like Trump. And functional checks and balances. And cultural denazification.

I don't really see it happening either.

[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

bUt tHE CONstiTuTion!!!!!!

Never going to happen.

Then the USA needs to balkanize

[–] Maestro@fedia.io 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't see that happening without mayor political reforms. There's no way to regain trust when it's possible for an even bigger idiot to come into power and undo it all a few years later.

[–] halloejsovs@lemmy.world 6 points 3 weeks ago

It's too late for political reform. The republicans will find a way to steal or coup the country, before or at the next election. The only thing changing that is civili uproar/civil war. USA is beyond fucked.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 weeks ago

doing my best to act that way to your country

please return the favour if we follow in your footsteps in a few years. we're getting scary amounts of far-right shit up here

[–] dreadbeef@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

And the people who hurt the most from the find out phase? Black and brown people, transgender people, women, etc. The tired and weak. It aint the rich who find out when the rich fuck around.