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[–] psycho_driver@lemmy.world 120 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Hey a lot of Americans hate America because of Trump, too.

[–] wirebeads@lemmy.ca 78 points 2 weeks ago

I’d also say most of the world hates America because of Trump. He’s a global parasite.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 49 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

I hated America before it was cool to hate America.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd like to say the same, but it's been cool to hate America longer than I've been alive where I'm from.

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[–] Buffalox@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

The fact that we (allied democracies) can't trust USA anymore became clear to me under George W. Bush first term as President.
So I'd say about 21 years ago.

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[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

I am starting to hate it because of America's tepid reaction to Trump

[–] SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 weeks ago

If America saw what America was doing to America then America would invade America and liberate America.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago
  1. not enough people

  2. not enough hate

(See 2024)

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 80 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

One thing that's really frustrating is that in other countries where democracy is in danger you see huge protests in the streets.

Hong Kong protests

Hungary protests

France protests

That gives the distinct impression that even if the average American doesn't support what Trump is doing, they don't really oppose it enough to bother shutting down the country.

[–] zeroclue@sopuli.xyz 45 points 2 weeks ago (12 children)

I ask myself for quite some time now: where are Americas young people? In most countries, if something goes as wrong as in America at the moment, the first who respond with protests are the students. Just check out India. But in the US there are only a few local protest about the middle east. No mass protests, not even discussions as far as I can tell. Why is that?

[–] WanderingThoughts 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

America is an experiment in how far you can push individualism. Collective action, unions and the like are suppressed compared to other countries. They'll have to relearn that individual responsibility has limits and collective action is still important.

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[–] Hapankaali@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I think there are two main reasons. The first is that things simply haven't gotten bad enough. It's true, there is a health care crisis killing tens of thousands a year, rampant human rights violations in ICE concentration camps, brazen corruption in the administration, etc. But for most of the uneducated and uninformed middle class, these things don't directly affect their daily lives.

The second reason is that the mass indoctrination campaign concerning American exceptionalism has been immensely successful. So while many Americans agree some things could be improved, they are unsure of what those things are because they also still believe the US is one of the best places in the world to live, even as the US has steadily tumbled down the quality-of-life rankings and now arguably ranks below the likes of Estonia and Slovenia. The belief in exceptionalism has fostered a rather meek and servile attitude towards the government.

[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And that’s why American exceptionalism and any other kind of national exceptionalism needs to die

It will take a economic depression, mass unemployment, civil unrest, oil prices going to the moon, civil war, hyperinflation and mass famine to kill American exceptionalism

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[–] sobchak@programming.dev 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Yeah, in the US, the protestors are mostly older people. I think maybe they're too anxious and don't want to jeopardize their future careers? Maybe they saw the concerted effort to ruin pro-Palestine protestor's lives? Most companies do background checks (I've had to get a background check to work at Burger King), and even a single arrest on your record is enough to have you automatically filtered out. Maybe they saw that the BLM protests didn't really cause the government to change much. Idk. It is weird though.

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[–] chuckleslord@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

After the Civil rights and anti-Vietnam protests of the 60s and 70s, public policy changed to quietly hoover up all of the hippies via the drug war and cut funding for universities and colleges. That, plus McCarthyism and the oil shortage lead to Boomers being one of the most conservative generations in American history. They, along with the government, pushed this idea of freedom through self-reliance and hard work. Those were always the undercurrent of America's politics, but now there were basically no dissenting voices (cause they were all in jail for possession or for being a commie).

The next generations of leftist voices were crushed by the heel of capitalism. Since college and university cost more, individuals participating either needed to already have money (thus be more likely to swallow the "individual effort" freedom narrative) or needed to take out loans (thus needed to keep their mouth shut, since student loans are "forever loans" that can't be forgiven via bankruptcy and they needed employment to pay them back). High school and lower education was stripped of "commie" talking points, meaning the sole narrative taught to young people before college was "America is the best cause of our freedom" nonsense. Unions were taken during this time with "right to work" laws, handing more unchecked power to corporations.

Right now in America, there's a resurgence of leftist voices, but these are students with no masters. We have to rebuild the organizations to support these efforts, but that takes time. In the interim, you'll see mass protests break out from time to time when things get bad, but our lack of generational knowledge on how to utilize these efforts means they'll come and go fairly quickly as individuals are unsure of what comes next. And before those protests can solidify around a single message or platform, mass media will come in to give them a shit one, or twist the actual one to lose public support. That's why the George Floyd protests were big and loud, but didn't really drive any consistent goals. The "defund" narrative was constructed around the movement before it could actually decide that was its goal, and that was too an extreme for position for the average American in that moment (think the Overton shifted on that, now), killing the momentum the movement was gaining.

Another thing is that the gov't targets leaders of these movements and finds a way to put them in jail or kill them. Meaning being the face of the movement is basically guaranteed to get you killed or silenced. So none of these modern protests have true leaders (not single strong men, mind, but actual decision making bodies in general), making it hard to quickly organize messaging and actions. Putting them even more flat-footed for when the next moment arises.

Also, any popular protest in the US that doesn't include rioting gets basically no air time. The George Floyd protests went on for months after the news stopped covering them. Minneapolis' response to operation metro surge outlasted the operation, but you don't hear about it being celebrated.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Not surprising at all. Look at how many convinced themselves to stay home the one time they couldve prevented this shitstorm.

[–] MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

And those non-voters are still patting each other's backs.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)
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[–] AlecSadler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Our society has been designed so that taking even an hour off to vote or protest means no food on the table.

Could that with the critical mass who don't give a shit and, well, yeah, no movement.

General strike just cannot happen because of that, so violent revolution is the only next step but even that is unlikely.

[–] SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 8 points 2 weeks ago

Nah, it will happen. All it takes is a spark when tensions are high enough (they aren't yet).

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[–] Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago

Which is why we hate the entire US, not just tRump.

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[–] TheCriticalMember@aussie.zone 44 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Canada hasn't been making military alliances and trade deals with every other country for the last year for nothing. They also didn't just recall their military for nothing either. Canada's fortifying itself in plain sight and the trump admin are too stupid to notice.

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Did we recall our troopies? I wasn't even aware of that.

[–] GreenBeard@lemmy.ca 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, we announced this week we're winding down a lot of overseas operations and will be focusing on domestic defense operations.

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[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

It's not just Trump. It's the Tea Party and Bush, too. We've spent the last quarter century looking over our shoulder waiting for the next catastrophe that Americans will cause and we're sick of it.

[–] FoxtrotDeltaTango@sh.itjust.works 16 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Honestly I’m sick of American arrogance too, the American empire should balkanize and die

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[–] Arancello@aussie.zone 32 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I dont think most americans know whats happening. It’ll be way too late when they wake up

[–] Tiral@lemmy.world 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I think you over estimate Americans giving a crap.

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 2 weeks ago

They'll give a crap when it affects them personally.

[–] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

I've been wondering this myself.

I'm some sort of weirdo who likes solar panels and EV's and thinks people should be allowed to be people no matter the color of their skin or the plumbing in their pants, which makes me some sort of commie hippie freak because I live in rural Oklahoma.

And there seems to be a lot of effort aimed at keeping people in this deep red state unaware of all that is happening, although gas prices are higher than normal here (I saw $3.79/gal this morning I think) amd groceries are getting expensive. But none of this is really mentioned. As far as the local news is concerned, there is no war in Iran, Trump has everything handled, and all is well. And a great many people here, especially old people, believe it all because that is all they see.

It's no excuse.

[–] Murse@slrpnk.net 21 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Murican here. If we're going to learn from our fuck around phase, the find out phase needs to hurt.

Like an alcoholic waking up to a hangover from hell and vowing to never let that happen again, that hangover could be the best thing that's ever happened to the addict.

The more our president throws his tantrums, the more we should be shunned, isolated, and ignored by the rest of the planet. Politically and financially.

To the non-muricans here, sorry for being such a shitty neighbor. I look forward to earning back your respect - hopefully that day comes soon, but I'm not holding my breath.

[–] froh42@lemmy.world 27 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

How can there be there earning back respect? The US is a two party system, so even if there's a good president a few years later the next bozo comes around drives things back to shit again.

Trump has managed to terminally damage transatlantic relationships, this will result in a new world order in the long run. Over here in the EU thinking about sovereignty is suddenly a thing, getting independent of others.

There can be trade with the US in the future, but no trust anymore. Interestingly the long term view is viewing the US a lot like China, someone whom you cooperate with economically but do not trust on a political level.

Of course a less shitty period in governance would ease things a bit over, but there's no way the next guy like Trump will grab power in 10 years or so. The American political system is built in a way that it just flip-flops between the big parties. IMO the population and elections are just a minor side function of this.

As fucked up as out system is over here, I'm fucking happy we have a parliament and not "winner takes it all". At least it feels a bit like voters have a bit of influence.

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[–] Leviathan@lemmy.world 18 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

As a Canadian, it's Trump

...AND his supporters

...AND you can throw in Christofascists

...AND Christian fundamentalists.

So since Westboro for me, personally.

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[–] Ceruleum@lemmy.wtf 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 15 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Obama had the power to nationalize the banks and arrest the people who engineered the crisis. But instead let them go.

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[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You hate the same people we hate, Canada. Those people are broken, ignorant assholes before they are Americans. Their bullshit ruins the world for all of us.

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

So like, do something about it maybe?

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

Really quick, list what you think civilized, nonmilitary, individual folks with families should do against a 50 year systemic plan, funded with trillions and led by literal psychopaths fixed on destabilizing democracy to rebuild a fascist autocracy in their own image? Every day is a real internal struggle of what to do next. Many of us have spent decades opposing in every way typical folks can, bleeding, arrest, life threatening opposition face to face with swat teams as unarmed, untrained every day people.

Your response is not helpful. It trivializes one of the largest issues in the history of civilation with no clear solution ahead.

The point of my response is that WE are not opposed, so don't try to make the good folks into opponents. Grow up, see the bigger picture and support. Offer solutions and plan on what your personal line will be when this all finds it's way to you.

[–] impairedimperator@lemmy.zip 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Whatever you though the Germans should have done to the Nazis pre-WWII. Whatever you think the Russians should do to Putin. Whatever you think Israelis should do with Netanyahu.

My grandpa fought in WWII. He never asked the Germans if they supported Hitler, though. He just dropped rocket artillery on them from a few km away.

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[–] HaroldBaws@lemmy.zip 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)
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[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I don't think this is news. I don't think anyone was waiting for a verdict. Since we're just throwing opinions out there instead of facts what about this one? "Canadians Hate Thalidomide Because of the Birth Defects". I know, I know, not as current, but still not news!

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[–] ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online 10 points 2 weeks ago
[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 9 points 2 weeks ago

Was this still a question? I thought that ship sailed long ago, with everyone but Israel.

Ah, who am I kidding, Israel hates us, too.

[–] stevles@aussie.zone 9 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Not a single country on Earth that likes the US. Only the US claims to like the US, and even then it’s more propaganda fuel than anything.

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[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Hey Canada, a lot of Americans are right there with you.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Americans also hate America thanks to Trump.

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