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Edit: Jesus Christ, people. If you buy a $150 Thinkpad made by slave labor instead of a $1,200 MacBook made by slave labor, you're still supporting a capitalist economy based on slave labor. We all do. We have no choice. The number of smug liberals in the comments saying "well I buy a cheap used laptop" or "well I buy coffee beans and make my own coffee" are completely missing the fucking point.

Don't tell yourself your consumption is moral. All of us make unethical choices every day because there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. Accept your shame and guilt and let it drive you to do better.

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[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Nope sorry, there are many much less capitalistically aggressive alternatives to starbucks and apple. Slaves on the other hand literally (and not figuratively as in here) needed to keep slaving to stay alive. I would seriously feel cramps in my stomach if I walked into a starbucks with that sticker.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yep used thinkpad and some kind of Linux sounds more like it.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Buying a used Thinkpad doesn't change the fact that it was made by slave labor. It might make you feel better to buy one, but it changes absolutely nothing. You still bought an item made in part by slaves or near-slaves. And you're keeping the market alive for that to continue.

[–] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

Buying used means you aren't actually contributing to slave labor at all. Buying new would.

Also where are you getting this laptops are made with slave labor idea? We aren't talking clothing here.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Apple is a dumb choice always, but theres no fucking replacement for starbucks and you cannot convince me otherwise.

[–] luves2spooge@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Please tell me how I can build ios apps, test multiple browsers (including safari), and test on any iPhone without mac? I don't want to use a mac but it's not "always a dumb choice". Sometimes (by design) there is no choice.

[–] FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Here is an idea for you, don't build iOS Apps. If iOS users want to use regular apps or browsers then they'll have to jailbreak their devices or stop using devices that intentionally limit them. Enabling their poor decisions doesn't help them.

As a bonus it removes your apple developer fees as well as cuts your development costs by maybe half or even more.

The vast majority of devs doing it for a career don't get to choose what kind of apps they build.

[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

apple and Starbucks are capitalists. Using their products and services is not "capitalism" but "consumerism"

spending a wage you earned is the opposite of capitalism

[–] lemmylem@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Sure, but it's the fact that out of any other choice to pick, she chose to still give her money to the most aggressively capitalist companies. You can say it's consumerism, but what point is she even making then? She sat down at a Starbucks to get her overpriced coffee, on a $1200 Macbook with a sticker on it that says "SMASH CAPITALISM", it's blatantly hyprocritcal.

[–] brbposting@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How’s Lenovo’s sustainability versus Apple’s?

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

if it has linux installed, then much better at least from a software standpoint

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All your options are "capitalistically aggressive". It's a sign of immaturity to me that people think they're above it all while still being totally and utterly dependent on capitalist economics. Acting like buying a fair phone makes you better than others is just laughable. It's a drop in the bucket compared to all your other unavoidable contributions to capitalists.

Not to mention that many of these "better" options are only available to people with money, which makes the entire claim even more ironic. Many of us going this "alternate" less aggressive route can only do so because we benefit from inequality in the first place.

Your argument in no way refutes the point the comic makes.

[–] iAvicenna@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

nope, there is for instance a ton of difference between someone who buys a used phone and uses it for 5 years vs someone who buys a new phone each time a new model comes out. Similarly there is a difference to how much you enable or enhance this system when you make conscious choices about which brands to use (ones that are a part of it or ones that actively redefine and make things worse).

I would agree however that it really makes no sense to of course try to infer all of these from a single photo, maybe this person is super anti consumerism in all other aspects, maybe she is repairing someone else's computer etc. Nevertheless apple is the last brand you should be using if you want to put a smash capitalism sticker on your laptop, you can at least show the will to have your os open source. Otherwise it is like going to a steak house to eat steak with a "stop animal slaughter" shirt. It is the exact definition for me of acting like you are above it all without showing the effort to be.