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Why do you think it is that China remains so restrictive with immigration? (lemmygrad.ml)
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Even after the recent Hukou reforms, permanent residency for immigrants is nonexistant (less than 20k in the past 2 decades). It feels like such a huge own-goal in the current historical moment to miss out on attracting migrants, especially the now unemployed technical experts and scientists in deindustrializing nations. Have they perhaps been infuenced by the current wave of fascist hysteria in the G7? (By which I mean: the CPC proactively stopping such a movement from forming in China?) Are they high on their own supply about being a "civilizational state"? Are they scared? Are they CHUDS?

Edit: It genuinely doesn't make economic sense at this point. For example, West Europe would honestly be a sterile crater at this point without immigrants from the past 20 years due to population decline.

The best reason I could come up with is that they fear backlash from the precariously employed youths and xenophobic elders.

Edit: Historical inertia is probably a large factor here. It would be somewhat strange to switch from population control to population bolstering policies in under 2 decades.

Edit 2: Vietnam is somewhat similar to China in governance, but is more leinient with immigration than even Europe.

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[–] 3 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Obviously the decisions that Chinese state made have greatly benefited the vast majority of people in China and have drastically improved the standard of living. In fact, there is simply no historical precedent for the rate of poverty alleviation seen in China. And the numbers speak for themselves.

90% of families in the country own their home giving China one of the highest home ownership rates in the world. What’s more is that 80% of these homes are owned outright, without mortgages or any other leans. https://www.forbes.com/sites/wadeshepard/2016/03/30/how-people-in-china-afford-their-outrageously-expensive-homes

Chinese household savings hit another record high in 2024 https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-jones-bank-earnings-01-12-2024/card/chinese-household-savings-hit-another-record-high-xqyky00IsIe357rtJb4j

Social mobility in China being far better than in the US https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/11/18/world/asia/china-social-mobility.html

The typical Chinese adult is now richer than the typical European adult https://www.businessinsider.com/typical-chinese-adult-now-richer-than-europeans-wealth-report-finds-2022-9

The real (inflation-adjusted) incomes of the poorest half of the Chinese population increased by more than four hundred percent from 1978 to 2015, while real incomes of the poorest half of the US population actually declined during the same time period. https://www.nber.org/system/files/working_papers/w23119/w23119.pdf

From 1978 to 2000, the number of people in China living on under $1/day fell by 300 million, reversing a global trend of rising poverty that had lasted half a century (i.e. if China were excluded, the world’s total poverty population would have risen) https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/China%E2%80%99s-Economic-Growth-and-Poverty-Reduction-Angang-Linlin/c883fc7496aa1b920b05dc2546b880f54b9c77a4

From 2010 to 2019 (the most recent period for which uninterrupted data is available), the income of the poorest 20% in China increased even as a share of total income. https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.DST.FRST.20?end=2019&amp%3Blocations=CN&amp%3Bstart=2008

The whole argument that China has billionaires is addressed here https://redsails.org/china-has-billionaires/

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  • [–] -2 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

    Oh yes. Very big improvemts I agree. Germany also had a big rise in living standards from the 50s to the 80s.

    However that doesn't tell you whether the is the main goal of the country.

    And since I see developments against the 996 work culture I don't see that the well being of the people of the number 1 goal.

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  • [–] 2 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

    Maybe spend a bit time to educate yourself instead of regurgitating drivel on here like a lib. First of all the whole 996 is not really a thing anymore and it was only prevalent in tech sector in the first place.

    In fact, I would suggest that claiming China is not socialist is a chauvinistic perspective. What you seem to be suggesting is that you have some privileged insight that's not available to 1.4 billion people actually living in China in regards to what their political system is. China is a state governed by the Communist party where Marxism-Leninism is the official state ideology. 87.6% of young Chinese identify with Marxism, and the party has 95 million members. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that these people do in fact understand what socialism is a bit better than you.

    The state is also firmly in control of the commanding heights of the economy. The government has recently passed massive regulation on big business and released a a five-year blueprint calling for greater regulation of vast parts of the economy. And it has been openly stated that the era of capital expansion is over and the interests of the majority outweigh the interests of shareholders.

    One simple test to consider is that China doesn't suffer from regular crashes seen under capitalism. An inherent contradiction within capitalism is that the capitalists always want to cut pay for their employees to minimize the costs, while they also require consumers with enough spending power to consume the commodities they produce. This is why capitalism results in regular economic crashes when wages fall below the point where consumption can keep up with the rate of commodity production. At that point you end up with overproduction and a crash. If China was capitalist then it should be experiencing these kinds of crashes regularly just like actual capitalist nations are in the Western world.

    And of course, we can directly compare how China and India developed. Both started roughly in the same place in the 50s, and the difference today couldn't be more stark.

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