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Don't want to support fashtech and stay sane? Use filter lists (europe.pub)
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Any press is good press. Filter out any mention of fashtech so that you can't be tempted to respond to it.

The picture is an example in #mbin. Lemmy might have it too

A screenshot of a filterlist that includes omarchy
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[–] 11 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Friendly reminder that lamenting your native country losing its identity and making you a minority

What is this even in reference to?

is not inherently xenophobic, racist or fascist.

It is inherently, by definition, xenophobic and potentially racist (if race is involved). Fascism just often plays on those vices.

To quote Merriam-Webster, xenophobia is:

fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign

So yes, it's xenophobic.

Would you want that to happen to you?

I don't care if it does. I've been both a minority and majority in various times of my life. It only mattered when interacting with people who dislike minorities (or majorities).

Let's rephrase this a different way:

"When illegal immigrants overwhelm a city, you deport them"

Is he using "gypsy" to refer to illegal immigrants? Said dictionary provides no definition that matches it, though I know it's often used as a derogatory term to refer to Eastern Europeans (especially Romanians), regardless of legality (and for that matter most of Europe doesn't check visas for international travel within those countries anyway).

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago*

    Im not sure of the general context here, but in the UK gypsy was mostly used to ( derogatorily ) refer to the Romani.

    Also commonly called "travelers" due to their nomadic nature.

    As with a lot of derogatory colloquialisms its usage has mutated/changed over time and differs between geographic areas.

    Modern usage is generally aimed at the groups of people who nomadically move around in large caravan convoys, they may or may not descend from (or identify as) Roma.

    They have a poor reputation.

    If you've ever seen the movie Snatch , the group that brad pitt is a part of is one example of "gypsies".

    Best I can tell, they are "Irish" gypsies but many different variations exist.

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  • [+] -6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (6 children)

    What is this even in reference to?

    DHH's post "As I Remember London" which I inferred from this post referring to Omarchy as "fashtech" and based on other recent posts about the same thing.

    fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners

    I don't see any fear or hatred of strangers or foreigners in the referenced post. I don't want to explicitly link it in case that would anger the mods somehow, but it is easy to find.

    You may criticize his nationalism, immigration views, or rhetoric as exclusionary or ethnonationalist. But IMO calling him fascist requires showing more than concern about demographic change.

    Is he using “gypsy” to refer to illegal immigrants?

    I don't know, you would have to ask him. I was just pointing out that it's not objectively obvious as to their intent and I don't think people are reacting fairly, rationally or even attempting to use critical thinking.

    Unfortunately social media amplifies outrage because it generates clicks, and attempting to have calm and reasonable discussions is often simply downvoted and ignored.

    In this way I find that tech-central sites with active commentary like reddit/lemmy/phoronix/etc. are quite often just as cancerous as Facebook and such. You would think a lot more technical people would be more rational but I haven't found that to be the case the majority of the time.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago*

    DHH's post "As I Remember London" which I inferred from this post referring to Omarchy as "fashtech" and based on other recent posts about the same thing.

    As someone who doesn't give two shits about DHH, I legit had no idea what the post was referring to, so I've read the article.

    It's grossly xenophobic and racist. The entire article is premised on the notion that non-"native Brits" are not actually British and do not actually embody British culture. This is fallacious for two reasons:

    1. It assumes that race and ethnicity define a person's culture, which is false.
    2. It assumes that British culture (or really the culture of any given area) would normally be stagnant, which is especially false in the information age.

    It then attributes the supposed shift in culture to a shift in demographics rather than globalization and cultural mixing online that we've seen impact countries like South Korea and Japan.

    The best interpretation I can give for the article is a Boomer's incoherent ramblings, and the default interpretation I'd have is that he's a white supremacist as he seems to look down on those he considers foreign.

    There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for the Danes, Britain primarily a united kingdom for the Brits, and Japan primarily a set of islands for the Japanese.

    This statement, taken literally and without context, would be easy to make (again ignoring anything but the literal text). However, given the contents of the article, this is not what he's saying. I'll rephrase this statement to what he's saying, with connotations made explicit:

    There's absolutely nothing racist or xenophobic in saying that Denmark is primarily a country for those of longstanding Danish descent, Britain primarily a united kingdom for those of longstanding British descent, and Japan primarily a set of islands for those of longstanding Japanese descent, and not for those of other heritages who wish to adopt those cultures.

    Not racist? Not xenophobic? Lol.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 month ago (4 children)

    You cannot lament your personal ideal of your country being diluted or ruined by the influx of people of other races without a significant amount of fear or hatred. Otherwise it wouldn't be an issue in the first place. The very thought requires othering a group of people determined to be undesirable.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    You cannot lament your personal ideal of your country being diluted or ruined by the influx of people of other races without a significant amount of fear or hatred

    I disagree. I think it is possible to feel concern about cultural change without holding fear or hatred toward a specific group of people.

    People might push back against change not because they're out to get anyone, but simply because they like how things are working now and worry that change will just cause a mess.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 month ago

    I think it is possible to feel concern about cultural change without holding fear or hatred toward a specific group of people.

    This is true, but not what his article does. It expresses concern about the changes he observed and attributes those changes towards a specific group of people (those he views as foreign). Context can't just be ignored.

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