It seems that most of the time, my discussions with people about socialism and communism end up on the topic of "but people are inherently bad, or at least a few people are, and will always take advatange of others. Even during natural disorders, some go steal everything in the stores while other help strangers"

I always have a hard time arguing that human nature depend on the environment, that it takes a few generations, and that there is probably always going to be violence but it's marginal and can be taken care of.

What main ideas am I missing? And how to argue about this and respond to this central idea that refrain a lot of liberals?

Thank you!

If you have any theory that you want to point at, that would also be great

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[–] 3 points 2 weeks ago

human nature is neither good nor evil. because man at birth is like a blank sheet of paper as taught by john locke and islam.

human become good and evil because:

  • the conditions they feel. people who are full will not steal food, people do not dare to steal if the law is enforced.
  • people around them. people in love will obey their partner's wishes.
  • education.
  • their own decisions. some people become evil because of their own desires.

in addition, the purpose of knowing human nature is not to give up but to improve conditions.

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