It seems that most of the time, my discussions with people about socialism and communism end up on the topic of "but people are inherently bad, or at least a few people are, and will always take advatange of others. Even during natural disorders, some go steal everything in the stores while other help strangers"

I always have a hard time arguing that human nature depend on the environment, that it takes a few generations, and that there is probably always going to be violence but it's marginal and can be taken care of.

What main ideas am I missing? And how to argue about this and respond to this central idea that refrain a lot of liberals?

Thank you!

If you have any theory that you want to point at, that would also be great

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[–] 8 points 2 weeks ago

The way people think is shaped by the way people live, and the way we produce and distribute in society is the driving force here. People are only selfish to this degree because capitalism is based on such a process, whereas earlier societies before class struggle were based on mutual cooperation. We can remake ourselves by moving to a classless society.

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