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God forbid carbrains actually plan around a regularly scheduled weekend event (files.catbox.moe)
submitted 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) by to c/fuckcars@lemmy.world
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This is from a regularly scheduled Everglades Bike Club weekend ride in Key Biscayne, USA, on a 10km stretch of road, and all the drivers know to expect it will be there in the mornings.

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[–] 3 points 1 week ago (11 children)

In my cycling club, when we plan events, if we know there will be this many cyclists we work with police and close the roads. This is the last one we did: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Kfz9S6h4M You can check out the security measures. And we're just a local club. We do things like this about 3 times a year. Other local clubs do the same. Having as many cyclist as in the video with no security is amateur hour and it's irresponsible. My guess is they know this and they are doing this on purpose as a form of protests or something

So, nobody should cycle from village A to village B, ever?

In Spain the minimum velocity is half of the speed limit so a car has to go at least 45km/h on 90km/h road. Going slower than that causes dangerous situations. Bikes have to go on the shoulder and I don't think that's safe or responsible. I can get to all the villages using secondary, 60km/h roads.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (7 children)

    I can get to all the villages using secondary, 60km/h roads.

    Good for you. I don't know of any road outside of my city that is less than 60 km/h, most are 80 or 100.

    My guess is they know this and they are doing this on purpose as a form of protests or something

    Well, from the short video, they have at least seemingly safety motorcycles, because the video is filmed from one. But it might as well be a protest, e.g. for better cycling infrastructure, what about it? If some lunatics protest in my city for whatever the fuck I also can't just drive through them, just because I don't like their topic or that they're occupying the road. From my view, if this is a political thing, people need to accept it even more, because voicing an opinion and taking it literally to the street is important.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    But it might as well be a protest, e.g. for better cycling infrastructure, what about it?

    Then they are being disruptive on purpose. They are not trying to share the road responsibly, they are not doing this because that's the best and safest way to do it.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (5 children)

    I still don't see them being very disruptive. They're part of traffic and use the road, probably as intended with such a large group of cyclists. Doesn't excuse or warrant assholish (and dangerous) behavior of car drivers.

    And, once again, 'cause you just skipped over that part. If it is a protest, the other participanis still would need to accept it, because this is how protest works in a society.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Of course they would have to accept it. What do you think I'm saying? That it's ok to just ram them? But it's actually not how protests works in a society. You apply for a permit and ensure everyone safety. The law defines bases on which such permit can be denied. Courts make sure that administration fallows this laws.

    And it doesn't really matter if it's very disruptive or just a little bit disruptive . It's not a normal weekend bicycle ride that is a normal part of traffic. It's done in a way that inconvenient to other people on the road. That's the point people are making here. Not that it's illegal (depends on local laws) or that it's ok to murder them. Just that it's disruptive.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Other people pointed out this is a weekly event scheduled with local authorities.

    Like we all recognize that a car driving in the grass is unsafe and unusual, but there's more people mad at the bikers for using the road correctly and safely.

    Maybe, just maybe, the bikers did what they are supposed to do and the guy trying to drive in a ditch in a compact car is the one who is out of pocket.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago* (2 children)

    No one is defending the guy driving in the ditch, no idea where are you taking this idea from. I haven't seen the info that this is scheduled with local authorities. Maybe it was added later in some comment?

    All I'm saying is that it's badly organized event. This is too many bikes to have on a road like that. Doing it every week doesn't change that. It can be legal and still badly organized. Organizers have to ensure everyone's safety. Local authorities have to ensure everyone's safety. This many bikes with a single safety bike is not safety. I shared a link to one of the events organized by my club. This is how you do it.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    All I am saying is we have clear evidence of the dude in the car being reckless. We have a lot more assumptions about the people biking. Like throughout the thread, not a you thing specifically

    Whatever standards you prefer there to be or steps to be taken, a throng of 50+ bikers grouped together with at least 1 safety bike (maybe more upfront, my eyes aren't too good) demonstrates at least SOME level of organization and foresight.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago

    100% agree. The dude in the car is a reckless idiot. The bikers are organized. All I'm saying (and I think I've been clear that's what I'm saying from the beginning) is that they are poorly organized. Personally I would not participate is such a poorly organized event and would never take responsibility for anything like that as an organizer. People are free to have different standards though.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Go ride on the shoulder up the mountain from Benagalbón to Almáchar and tell me how that goes. You clearly aren't riding anywhere near Málaga.

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