Autism and narcissism (multiverse.soulism.net)
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Autism, as a word, is Latin for self-ism. It was named in the early days of Psychiatry by doctors who didn't understand what it was like for us. But what they noticed was, we seemed more preoccupied with ourselves than other people, so they called the condition self-ism in Latin.

Narcissism comes from the Greek myth of Narcissus, who was cursed by Nemesis to fall in love with his reflection (see Conon, Ovid). So Narcissism is also named after this idea of being preoccupied with yourself. And there hasn't been as much social progress on NPD, so a lot of people still think the same way today.

Etymologically speaking, the disorders are named pretty much the same. Early psychiatrists thought that these two conditions looked pretty similar to one another from the outside. And as someone with both autism and NPD, I get it, mate.

I've got reduced cognitive empathy from My autism, and the ability to voluntarily suppress affective empathy from My NPD. Affective empathy is the ability to sense others' feelings, and cognitive empathy is the ability to sense others' thoughts. So neurotypicals literally have a (limited) ability to read minds that we autistics don't get.

And a lot of the research literature says people with NPD can't sense others' feelings, but that's not My experience. I can choose not to feel others' feelings, when I want. I think I picked up the ability from being abused and guilt tripped as a kid. Now that I'm grown up, I get to choose whether I'm susceptible to attempts to abuse Me with My empathy. For example, a few weeks ago My bio mum told Me that My dead sister was abused by our adoptive parents, while I was the "golden child". My sister went out to suicide, so I think most egotypicals would get survivor's guilt from that. But I have NPD to protect Me from that kind of abuse, I'm used to shrugging that stuff off.

So there are lots of differences between the two. But also similarities. NPD is a mix of genetics and trauma, while autism is purely genetic. Both give Me meltdowns sometimes, when sensory stress or ego stress get to be too much. I have times when I have to mask both of them, and times when I don't and I might be accepted, or I might get in social trouble.

And both of them give Me a really acute sense of just how fake all of society is. Both of them motivate Me to defy social norms. Both give Me a strong justice sensitivity. I can't stand to see something I think is wrong or unfair.

So anyway, ask Me anything about living with NPD! I want to chat and make My experience of neurodivergence understood!

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[–] [S] 4 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Oooh yeah, I've got the wrist scars to prove things weren't all that great for Me lmao. I spent years in therapy for My shit as a kid, and then the therapist turned out to be a pedophile 🤣. He never made a move on Me, though. Not sure if it's because he's gay and I was an egg, or if it's because I'm a huge tattletale who doesn't take any shit from people in power over Me. In terms of personality disorders as manifestations of cPTSD, NPD is the one where the kid learns to self-advocate in the face of abuse and argue for their own self-worth and right to safety. So NPD kids are pretty hard to diddle on the DL.

In addition to the fact that I learned as a kid to argue My way out of injustice with rhetoric, I also have ethical narcissism. I need to be the absolute most perfect ethical being. Other people with NPD might fixate on beauty or intelligence or strength or creativity or wealth, but for Me it's ethics. I can't stand being less than perfect ethically. A few weeks ago I had a mental breakdown when I said something racially problematic, and right now I'm putting a fair amount of effort into not obsessing over it, because I need to be perfect. I'm reminding Myself that I addressed My bias, made an apology, and can't do anything else to make it better other than move on. So standing up against racism I see in other people is really important to My ego as an ally. And when someone spouts hate against a group I'm in, thereby insulting Me personally? Oh boy does the rage come on!

Masking NPD is about not making people aware that I think I'm better than them. Because I do think I'm better than everyone else, and they can tell. Now, for some reason we have a cultural association between a big ego and abuse. Many people feel that My internal attitude of superiority is itself an attack on them, rather than possibly leading to some kind of harm in the future. Which is funny! Because I've spent time in the NPD community, with friends who think they're better than Me, and it didn't bother Me that they thought that. But egotypicals can sometimes have very sensitive egos, which I find hilariously ironic.

But yeah, when I mask, I try not to show off My intelligence or My ethics, I make self-deprecating jokes, I use a less mature vocal register. I'm less firm with people about when I think they did something wrong. Which can go back around to triggering that justice sensitivity if I think they said something ethically problematic. So masking can kinda be agony for Me, but I recognise that I do have to be more reserved with calling people racist than I am rn. I barely bothered masking at all in that thread yesterday, and it got heated.

I actually really like Clifford (1994), which ends on the lesson that sometimes it's more important to be nice and make people like you, than to follow your own sense of justice. Even when it feels like the whole world is against you.

...damn, maybe Clifford has NPD. Other NPD characters I really like in media are Jeff Winger and Tahani Al-Jamil.

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  • [–] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 child)

    cw child abusewhat we colloquially call pedophilia (probably to avoid recognizing that positions of authority/hierarchy and abuse tend to go hand in hand) is often a form of exercising power rather than an actual attraction, so sexuality likely wasn't related to the lack of victimization

    cw eugenicsI kinda get the ethics and sense of superiority bit, my big one is with COVID, how as a society we apparently decided to stop doing anything about the disease that spreads through the entire body and is guaranteed to turn you disabled with enough re-infections (and can also kill you), making life increasingly impossible for vulnerable populations in particular. Eugenics won this round.

    In a way it's almost surprising (but not really in how society at large seems unable to act in self interest), given how there's so many neurotypicals that love to say that autistic people lack empathy, with a negative framing, yet as a community we apparently love casually throwing anyone with NPD (usually armchair diagnosed fully on the basis of unethical actions) under the bus just as much, not realizing we'd be next anyhow

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