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[–] weps@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (54 children) oh no Americans have been fucking America please keep in mind who wanted Trump as their leader permalink fedilink source hideshow 54 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (52 children) About 30% of the country. The other 70% was either on the right side of history, or too apathetic to vote. Most Americans DIDN'T want him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 52 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (26 children) Those who didn't bother to vote against him tacitly endorsed him They made a choice to allow him to become president, even if they didn't vote for him I despise them as much as his supporters ESPECIALLY the second time around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 days ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) I can't despise them as much as active supporters... apathy is for sure the lesser of two evils there. But, yes... "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago Do all your morals come from rock bands? You fuck 13 year olds too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (4 children) “if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” I'll take your Rush quote and raise you another. "Indifference is the strongest force in the universe. It makes everything it touches meaningless. Love and hate don't stand a chance against it." That being said, I'm not sure apathy is the lesser of two evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I could say indifference IS better than malice or willful ignorance... but, this could easily be disregarded as desire to ignore the greater concern (which I think you're driving at) MLK's expression of, "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Comes to mind. Sure, we're getting philosophical... but I couldn't refute that standing, without deploying willfull ignorance of my own. I am, vehemently, clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious... I can stomach the former far easier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious… I can stomach the former far easier. Agreed. Unfortunately, the more I converse with conservatives in particular, but also people on this very platform that defend not voting in 2024, the more I'm starting to lean towards fully malicious. There are a lot of non-conservatives on this platform that appear to be accelerationists that want full collapse, which will only serve to end many, many innocent people's lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago Imagine calling voting for genocide the lesser evil, lmfao. You should be skinned alive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago Yeah, agreed... my outlook is pretty bleak for my country, and by that I mean its people. Conservatives are truly a lost cause, in most situations. The exceptions being people too blinded by propaganda to see the harm they're doing. I don't see a lot of people "defending" non-voting, but that may be more anecdotal. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (16 replies) [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 22 points 1 week ago (6 children) I remain firm that counting people that didn't voten if they had the chance as not wanting Trump is wrong. They accepted what the majority wanted. So I say "yes the majority wanted Trump". And that includes the popular vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) I can agree that they did the wrong thing... but not voting isn't what I'd call "wanting" It's something more akin to "allowing" him to win. Which, isn't any better. I am near about arguing semantics, I know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) Maybe saying it like that is a bit provocative but from my perspective it's functionally the same. They didn't care enough to make their voice heard so I feel like I can say that they wanted it that way. If they didn't they should have voted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago I get it... and I earnestly agree with most of your sentiments. I'm probably just clinging to hope that people aren't such disappointments as to WANT it, so much as "not care enough" to avoid it. (If that is even somehow better) permalink fedilink source parent [–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) Even of the votes actually cast Trump hasn't won by a majority. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) He absolutely did. Trump got 77,302,580 popular votes vs 75,017,613 for Harris. Electoral it was 312 vs 226. So a majority wanted Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 1 point 1 week ago He didn't, he got 49.8% of the votes cast for president. The majority of votes were cast for others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AmyAye@nord.pub 17 points 1 week ago (8 children) Not voting is the same as wanting with less steps permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] wookiepedia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago I SO wish that I had a valid argument against what you're saying. But I don't. permalink fedilink source parent [–] btsax@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Not everyone who didn't vote did it out of apathy. The Republican playbook includes disenfranchising as many people as possible, making it effectively impossible or extremely difficult to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago effectively impossible But not LITERALLY impossible. I didn't have to, thank the gods, but if I had to I would have gone REAL far out of my way to ensure I voted to keep a felon rapist pedophile traitor from dictating my future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AmyAye@nord.pub 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) So do it anyway. I vote blue in a sea of red, in a blue state. My House rep is actual Nazi Mary "Hitler Was Right" Miller. Fuck that bitch. My vote is locally meaningless, but I vote anyway, because maybe if we stop being apathetic, there will be enough blues to make a difference. And yes, Democrats are fucking garbage, but maybe if we get enough Democrats, we can start moving on to Ultraviolet or whatever goes beyond blue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago We already had enough Democrats to do that. But the Dem leadership decided that they'd rather let Trump win, then let the country move to the left. permalink fedilink source parent [–] btsax@reddthat.com 1 point 6 days ago I'm talking about cases where people are purged from voter registration rolls at the last minute without notice and then show up and can't vote because they don't have same-day registration. Or places where a district of 100,000 people have only one polling location and it isn't staffed properly. Or where the polling location is miles away in a country famous for its lack of public transit, with many poor people unable to drive or arrange transportation. Or polling places in blue districts closing early even when people are still in line. I'm not saying not to vote, I'm just saying that it's probably good to understand that some people are not voting not because apathy, as is commonly spouted on the Internet permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* It's not. It's ALLOWING with the exact amount of steps. Now, there is no argument to be had that this isn't still a pathetic, apathetic, route to force us all down. Inaction is still an action. I am not defending those people, either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cyanova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago And precisely because so many people can't imagine any 'solution' beyond impotently signing off on new rulers and calling it a day, we are doomed to keep on with this whole farce. We told you this would happen a decade ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) Yeah you can't count the people that didn't vote as "against Trump". If anything you can lump them in with "for Trump" because they couldn't get off their pathetic asses to stop a felon rapist pedo traitor from becoming the most powerful American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago You could argue the former, yes, I'd concede that. Though, I couldn't say also that makes them "for" tRump... just not opposed to him. Neither is right, mind you. This is a situation where I truly wish that "Did not vote" was the winning candidate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (7 replies) [–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago Nazis permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (52 children) About 30% of the country. The other 70% was either on the right side of history, or too apathetic to vote. Most Americans DIDN'T want him. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 52 child comments replies: [–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (26 children) Those who didn't bother to vote against him tacitly endorsed him They made a choice to allow him to become president, even if they didn't vote for him I despise them as much as his supporters ESPECIALLY the second time around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 days ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) I can't despise them as much as active supporters... apathy is for sure the lesser of two evils there. But, yes... "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago Do all your morals come from rock bands? You fuck 13 year olds too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (4 children) “if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” I'll take your Rush quote and raise you another. "Indifference is the strongest force in the universe. It makes everything it touches meaningless. Love and hate don't stand a chance against it." That being said, I'm not sure apathy is the lesser of two evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I could say indifference IS better than malice or willful ignorance... but, this could easily be disregarded as desire to ignore the greater concern (which I think you're driving at) MLK's expression of, "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Comes to mind. Sure, we're getting philosophical... but I couldn't refute that standing, without deploying willfull ignorance of my own. I am, vehemently, clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious... I can stomach the former far easier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious… I can stomach the former far easier. Agreed. Unfortunately, the more I converse with conservatives in particular, but also people on this very platform that defend not voting in 2024, the more I'm starting to lean towards fully malicious. There are a lot of non-conservatives on this platform that appear to be accelerationists that want full collapse, which will only serve to end many, many innocent people's lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago Imagine calling voting for genocide the lesser evil, lmfao. You should be skinned alive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago Yeah, agreed... my outlook is pretty bleak for my country, and by that I mean its people. Conservatives are truly a lost cause, in most situations. The exceptions being people too blinded by propaganda to see the harm they're doing. I don't see a lot of people "defending" non-voting, but that may be more anecdotal. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (16 replies) [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 22 points 1 week ago (6 children) I remain firm that counting people that didn't voten if they had the chance as not wanting Trump is wrong. They accepted what the majority wanted. So I say "yes the majority wanted Trump". And that includes the popular vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) I can agree that they did the wrong thing... but not voting isn't what I'd call "wanting" It's something more akin to "allowing" him to win. Which, isn't any better. I am near about arguing semantics, I know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) Maybe saying it like that is a bit provocative but from my perspective it's functionally the same. They didn't care enough to make their voice heard so I feel like I can say that they wanted it that way. If they didn't they should have voted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago I get it... and I earnestly agree with most of your sentiments. I'm probably just clinging to hope that people aren't such disappointments as to WANT it, so much as "not care enough" to avoid it. (If that is even somehow better) permalink fedilink source parent [–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) Even of the votes actually cast Trump hasn't won by a majority. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) He absolutely did. Trump got 77,302,580 popular votes vs 75,017,613 for Harris. Electoral it was 312 vs 226. So a majority wanted Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 1 point 1 week ago He didn't, he got 49.8% of the votes cast for president. The majority of votes were cast for others. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AmyAye@nord.pub 17 points 1 week ago (8 children) Not voting is the same as wanting with less steps permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] wookiepedia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago I SO wish that I had a valid argument against what you're saying. But I don't. permalink fedilink source parent [–] btsax@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Not everyone who didn't vote did it out of apathy. The Republican playbook includes disenfranchising as many people as possible, making it effectively impossible or extremely difficult to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago effectively impossible But not LITERALLY impossible. I didn't have to, thank the gods, but if I had to I would have gone REAL far out of my way to ensure I voted to keep a felon rapist pedophile traitor from dictating my future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AmyAye@nord.pub 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) So do it anyway. I vote blue in a sea of red, in a blue state. My House rep is actual Nazi Mary "Hitler Was Right" Miller. Fuck that bitch. My vote is locally meaningless, but I vote anyway, because maybe if we stop being apathetic, there will be enough blues to make a difference. And yes, Democrats are fucking garbage, but maybe if we get enough Democrats, we can start moving on to Ultraviolet or whatever goes beyond blue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago We already had enough Democrats to do that. But the Dem leadership decided that they'd rather let Trump win, then let the country move to the left. permalink fedilink source parent [–] btsax@reddthat.com 1 point 6 days ago I'm talking about cases where people are purged from voter registration rolls at the last minute without notice and then show up and can't vote because they don't have same-day registration. Or places where a district of 100,000 people have only one polling location and it isn't staffed properly. Or where the polling location is miles away in a country famous for its lack of public transit, with many poor people unable to drive or arrange transportation. Or polling places in blue districts closing early even when people are still in line. I'm not saying not to vote, I'm just saying that it's probably good to understand that some people are not voting not because apathy, as is commonly spouted on the Internet permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* It's not. It's ALLOWING with the exact amount of steps. Now, there is no argument to be had that this isn't still a pathetic, apathetic, route to force us all down. Inaction is still an action. I am not defending those people, either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cyanova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago And precisely because so many people can't imagine any 'solution' beyond impotently signing off on new rulers and calling it a day, we are doomed to keep on with this whole farce. We told you this would happen a decade ago. permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) Yeah you can't count the people that didn't vote as "against Trump". If anything you can lump them in with "for Trump" because they couldn't get off their pathetic asses to stop a felon rapist pedo traitor from becoming the most powerful American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago You could argue the former, yes, I'd concede that. Though, I couldn't say also that makes them "for" tRump... just not opposed to him. Neither is right, mind you. This is a situation where I truly wish that "Did not vote" was the winning candidate. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (7 replies)
[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 40 points 1 week ago (26 children) Those who didn't bother to vote against him tacitly endorsed him They made a choice to allow him to become president, even if they didn't vote for him I despise them as much as his supporters ESPECIALLY the second time around permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 26 child comments replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 days ago (2 children) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world -1 points 6 days ago (1 child) [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml 1 point 6 days ago [removed by mod] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) I can't despise them as much as active supporters... apathy is for sure the lesser of two evils there. But, yes... "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago Do all your morals come from rock bands? You fuck 13 year olds too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (4 children) “if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” I'll take your Rush quote and raise you another. "Indifference is the strongest force in the universe. It makes everything it touches meaningless. Love and hate don't stand a chance against it." That being said, I'm not sure apathy is the lesser of two evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I could say indifference IS better than malice or willful ignorance... but, this could easily be disregarded as desire to ignore the greater concern (which I think you're driving at) MLK's expression of, "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Comes to mind. Sure, we're getting philosophical... but I couldn't refute that standing, without deploying willfull ignorance of my own. I am, vehemently, clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious... I can stomach the former far easier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious… I can stomach the former far easier. Agreed. Unfortunately, the more I converse with conservatives in particular, but also people on this very platform that defend not voting in 2024, the more I'm starting to lean towards fully malicious. There are a lot of non-conservatives on this platform that appear to be accelerationists that want full collapse, which will only serve to end many, many innocent people's lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago Imagine calling voting for genocide the lesser evil, lmfao. You should be skinned alive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago Yeah, agreed... my outlook is pretty bleak for my country, and by that I mean its people. Conservatives are truly a lost cause, in most situations. The exceptions being people too blinded by propaganda to see the harm they're doing. I don't see a lot of people "defending" non-voting, but that may be more anecdotal. permalink fedilink source parent load more comments (16 replies)
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[–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (6 children) I can't despise them as much as active supporters... apathy is for sure the lesser of two evils there. But, yes... "if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice." permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago Do all your morals come from rock bands? You fuck 13 year olds too? permalink fedilink source parent [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (4 children) “if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” I'll take your Rush quote and raise you another. "Indifference is the strongest force in the universe. It makes everything it touches meaningless. Love and hate don't stand a chance against it." That being said, I'm not sure apathy is the lesser of two evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I could say indifference IS better than malice or willful ignorance... but, this could easily be disregarded as desire to ignore the greater concern (which I think you're driving at) MLK's expression of, "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Comes to mind. Sure, we're getting philosophical... but I couldn't refute that standing, without deploying willfull ignorance of my own. I am, vehemently, clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious... I can stomach the former far easier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious… I can stomach the former far easier. Agreed. Unfortunately, the more I converse with conservatives in particular, but also people on this very platform that defend not voting in 2024, the more I'm starting to lean towards fully malicious. There are a lot of non-conservatives on this platform that appear to be accelerationists that want full collapse, which will only serve to end many, many innocent people's lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago Imagine calling voting for genocide the lesser evil, lmfao. You should be skinned alive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago Yeah, agreed... my outlook is pretty bleak for my country, and by that I mean its people. Conservatives are truly a lost cause, in most situations. The exceptions being people too blinded by propaganda to see the harm they're doing. I don't see a lot of people "defending" non-voting, but that may be more anecdotal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 days ago Do all your morals come from rock bands? You fuck 13 year olds too? permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (4 children) “if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” I'll take your Rush quote and raise you another. "Indifference is the strongest force in the universe. It makes everything it touches meaningless. Love and hate don't stand a chance against it." That being said, I'm not sure apathy is the lesser of two evils. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I could say indifference IS better than malice or willful ignorance... but, this could easily be disregarded as desire to ignore the greater concern (which I think you're driving at) MLK's expression of, "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Comes to mind. Sure, we're getting philosophical... but I couldn't refute that standing, without deploying willfull ignorance of my own. I am, vehemently, clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious... I can stomach the former far easier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious… I can stomach the former far easier. Agreed. Unfortunately, the more I converse with conservatives in particular, but also people on this very platform that defend not voting in 2024, the more I'm starting to lean towards fully malicious. There are a lot of non-conservatives on this platform that appear to be accelerationists that want full collapse, which will only serve to end many, many innocent people's lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago Imagine calling voting for genocide the lesser evil, lmfao. You should be skinned alive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago Yeah, agreed... my outlook is pretty bleak for my country, and by that I mean its people. Conservatives are truly a lost cause, in most situations. The exceptions being people too blinded by propaganda to see the harm they're doing. I don't see a lot of people "defending" non-voting, but that may be more anecdotal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago (3 children) I could say indifference IS better than malice or willful ignorance... but, this could easily be disregarded as desire to ignore the greater concern (which I think you're driving at) MLK's expression of, "He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it. He who accepts evil without protesting against it is really cooperating with it." Comes to mind. Sure, we're getting philosophical... but I couldn't refute that standing, without deploying willfull ignorance of my own. I am, vehemently, clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious... I can stomach the former far easier. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious… I can stomach the former far easier. Agreed. Unfortunately, the more I converse with conservatives in particular, but also people on this very platform that defend not voting in 2024, the more I'm starting to lean towards fully malicious. There are a lot of non-conservatives on this platform that appear to be accelerationists that want full collapse, which will only serve to end many, many innocent people's lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago Imagine calling voting for genocide the lesser evil, lmfao. You should be skinned alive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago Yeah, agreed... my outlook is pretty bleak for my country, and by that I mean its people. Conservatives are truly a lost cause, in most situations. The exceptions being people too blinded by propaganda to see the harm they're doing. I don't see a lot of people "defending" non-voting, but that may be more anecdotal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) clinging onto the notion that people in my country are ignorant and lazy, rather than fully malicious… I can stomach the former far easier. Agreed. Unfortunately, the more I converse with conservatives in particular, but also people on this very platform that defend not voting in 2024, the more I'm starting to lean towards fully malicious. There are a lot of non-conservatives on this platform that appear to be accelerationists that want full collapse, which will only serve to end many, many innocent people's lives. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago Imagine calling voting for genocide the lesser evil, lmfao. You should be skinned alive. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago Yeah, agreed... my outlook is pretty bleak for my country, and by that I mean its people. Conservatives are truly a lost cause, in most situations. The exceptions being people too blinded by propaganda to see the harm they're doing. I don't see a lot of people "defending" non-voting, but that may be more anecdotal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 days ago Imagine calling voting for genocide the lesser evil, lmfao. You should be skinned alive. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world -1 points 1 week ago Yeah, agreed... my outlook is pretty bleak for my country, and by that I mean its people. Conservatives are truly a lost cause, in most situations. The exceptions being people too blinded by propaganda to see the harm they're doing. I don't see a lot of people "defending" non-voting, but that may be more anecdotal. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@l.roofo.cc 22 points 1 week ago (6 children) I remain firm that counting people that didn't voten if they had the chance as not wanting Trump is wrong. They accepted what the majority wanted. So I say "yes the majority wanted Trump". And that includes the popular vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) I can agree that they did the wrong thing... but not voting isn't what I'd call "wanting" It's something more akin to "allowing" him to win. Which, isn't any better. I am near about arguing semantics, I know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) Maybe saying it like that is a bit provocative but from my perspective it's functionally the same. They didn't care enough to make their voice heard so I feel like I can say that they wanted it that way. If they didn't they should have voted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago I get it... and I earnestly agree with most of your sentiments. I'm probably just clinging to hope that people aren't such disappointments as to WANT it, so much as "not care enough" to avoid it. (If that is even somehow better) permalink fedilink source parent [–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) Even of the votes actually cast Trump hasn't won by a majority. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) He absolutely did. Trump got 77,302,580 popular votes vs 75,017,613 for Harris. Electoral it was 312 vs 226. So a majority wanted Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 1 point 1 week ago He didn't, he got 49.8% of the votes cast for president. The majority of votes were cast for others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago (2 children) I can agree that they did the wrong thing... but not voting isn't what I'd call "wanting" It's something more akin to "allowing" him to win. Which, isn't any better. I am near about arguing semantics, I know. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) Maybe saying it like that is a bit provocative but from my perspective it's functionally the same. They didn't care enough to make their voice heard so I feel like I can say that they wanted it that way. If they didn't they should have voted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago I get it... and I earnestly agree with most of your sentiments. I'm probably just clinging to hope that people aren't such disappointments as to WANT it, so much as "not care enough" to avoid it. (If that is even somehow better) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@l.roofo.cc 2 points 1 week ago (1 child) Maybe saying it like that is a bit provocative but from my perspective it's functionally the same. They didn't care enough to make their voice heard so I feel like I can say that they wanted it that way. If they didn't they should have voted. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago I get it... and I earnestly agree with most of your sentiments. I'm probably just clinging to hope that people aren't such disappointments as to WANT it, so much as "not care enough" to avoid it. (If that is even somehow better) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago I get it... and I earnestly agree with most of your sentiments. I'm probably just clinging to hope that people aren't such disappointments as to WANT it, so much as "not care enough" to avoid it. (If that is even somehow better) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) Even of the votes actually cast Trump hasn't won by a majority. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] chris@l.roofo.cc 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) He absolutely did. Trump got 77,302,580 popular votes vs 75,017,613 for Harris. Electoral it was 312 vs 226. So a majority wanted Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 1 point 1 week ago He didn't, he got 49.8% of the votes cast for president. The majority of votes were cast for others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] chris@l.roofo.cc 4 points 1 week ago (1 child) He absolutely did. Trump got 77,302,580 popular votes vs 75,017,613 for Harris. Electoral it was 312 vs 226. So a majority wanted Trump. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 1 point 1 week ago He didn't, he got 49.8% of the votes cast for president. The majority of votes were cast for others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social 1 point 1 week ago He didn't, he got 49.8% of the votes cast for president. The majority of votes were cast for others. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AmyAye@nord.pub 17 points 1 week ago (8 children) Not voting is the same as wanting with less steps permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] wookiepedia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago I SO wish that I had a valid argument against what you're saying. But I don't. permalink fedilink source parent [–] btsax@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Not everyone who didn't vote did it out of apathy. The Republican playbook includes disenfranchising as many people as possible, making it effectively impossible or extremely difficult to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago effectively impossible But not LITERALLY impossible. I didn't have to, thank the gods, but if I had to I would have gone REAL far out of my way to ensure I voted to keep a felon rapist pedophile traitor from dictating my future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AmyAye@nord.pub 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) So do it anyway. I vote blue in a sea of red, in a blue state. My House rep is actual Nazi Mary "Hitler Was Right" Miller. Fuck that bitch. My vote is locally meaningless, but I vote anyway, because maybe if we stop being apathetic, there will be enough blues to make a difference. And yes, Democrats are fucking garbage, but maybe if we get enough Democrats, we can start moving on to Ultraviolet or whatever goes beyond blue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago We already had enough Democrats to do that. But the Dem leadership decided that they'd rather let Trump win, then let the country move to the left. permalink fedilink source parent [–] btsax@reddthat.com 1 point 6 days ago I'm talking about cases where people are purged from voter registration rolls at the last minute without notice and then show up and can't vote because they don't have same-day registration. Or places where a district of 100,000 people have only one polling location and it isn't staffed properly. Or where the polling location is miles away in a country famous for its lack of public transit, with many poor people unable to drive or arrange transportation. Or polling places in blue districts closing early even when people are still in line. I'm not saying not to vote, I'm just saying that it's probably good to understand that some people are not voting not because apathy, as is commonly spouted on the Internet permalink fedilink source parent [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* It's not. It's ALLOWING with the exact amount of steps. Now, there is no argument to be had that this isn't still a pathetic, apathetic, route to force us all down. Inaction is still an action. I am not defending those people, either. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Cyanova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago And precisely because so many people can't imagine any 'solution' beyond impotently signing off on new rulers and calling it a day, we are doomed to keep on with this whole farce. We told you this would happen a decade ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wookiepedia@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago I SO wish that I had a valid argument against what you're saying. But I don't. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] btsax@reddthat.com 4 points 1 week ago (4 children) Not everyone who didn't vote did it out of apathy. The Republican playbook includes disenfranchising as many people as possible, making it effectively impossible or extremely difficult to vote. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago effectively impossible But not LITERALLY impossible. I didn't have to, thank the gods, but if I had to I would have gone REAL far out of my way to ensure I voted to keep a felon rapist pedophile traitor from dictating my future. permalink fedilink source parent [–] AmyAye@nord.pub 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) So do it anyway. I vote blue in a sea of red, in a blue state. My House rep is actual Nazi Mary "Hitler Was Right" Miller. Fuck that bitch. My vote is locally meaningless, but I vote anyway, because maybe if we stop being apathetic, there will be enough blues to make a difference. And yes, Democrats are fucking garbage, but maybe if we get enough Democrats, we can start moving on to Ultraviolet or whatever goes beyond blue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago We already had enough Democrats to do that. But the Dem leadership decided that they'd rather let Trump win, then let the country move to the left. permalink fedilink source parent [–] btsax@reddthat.com 1 point 6 days ago I'm talking about cases where people are purged from voter registration rolls at the last minute without notice and then show up and can't vote because they don't have same-day registration. Or places where a district of 100,000 people have only one polling location and it isn't staffed properly. Or where the polling location is miles away in a country famous for its lack of public transit, with many poor people unable to drive or arrange transportation. Or polling places in blue districts closing early even when people are still in line. I'm not saying not to vote, I'm just saying that it's probably good to understand that some people are not voting not because apathy, as is commonly spouted on the Internet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago effectively impossible But not LITERALLY impossible. I didn't have to, thank the gods, but if I had to I would have gone REAL far out of my way to ensure I voted to keep a felon rapist pedophile traitor from dictating my future. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] AmyAye@nord.pub 0 points 1 week ago (2 children) So do it anyway. I vote blue in a sea of red, in a blue state. My House rep is actual Nazi Mary "Hitler Was Right" Miller. Fuck that bitch. My vote is locally meaningless, but I vote anyway, because maybe if we stop being apathetic, there will be enough blues to make a difference. And yes, Democrats are fucking garbage, but maybe if we get enough Democrats, we can start moving on to Ultraviolet or whatever goes beyond blue. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago We already had enough Democrats to do that. But the Dem leadership decided that they'd rather let Trump win, then let the country move to the left. permalink fedilink source parent [–] btsax@reddthat.com 1 point 6 days ago I'm talking about cases where people are purged from voter registration rolls at the last minute without notice and then show up and can't vote because they don't have same-day registration. Or places where a district of 100,000 people have only one polling location and it isn't staffed properly. Or where the polling location is miles away in a country famous for its lack of public transit, with many poor people unable to drive or arrange transportation. Or polling places in blue districts closing early even when people are still in line. I'm not saying not to vote, I'm just saying that it's probably good to understand that some people are not voting not because apathy, as is commonly spouted on the Internet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 6 days ago We already had enough Democrats to do that. But the Dem leadership decided that they'd rather let Trump win, then let the country move to the left. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] btsax@reddthat.com 1 point 6 days ago I'm talking about cases where people are purged from voter registration rolls at the last minute without notice and then show up and can't vote because they don't have same-day registration. Or places where a district of 100,000 people have only one polling location and it isn't staffed properly. Or where the polling location is miles away in a country famous for its lack of public transit, with many poor people unable to drive or arrange transportation. Or polling places in blue districts closing early even when people are still in line. I'm not saying not to vote, I'm just saying that it's probably good to understand that some people are not voting not because apathy, as is commonly spouted on the Internet permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 3 points 1 week ago* It's not. It's ALLOWING with the exact amount of steps. Now, there is no argument to be had that this isn't still a pathetic, apathetic, route to force us all down. Inaction is still an action. I am not defending those people, either. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Cyanova@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 week ago And precisely because so many people can't imagine any 'solution' beyond impotently signing off on new rulers and calling it a day, we are doomed to keep on with this whole farce. We told you this would happen a decade ago. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago (1 child) Yeah you can't count the people that didn't vote as "against Trump". If anything you can lump them in with "for Trump" because they couldn't get off their pathetic asses to stop a felon rapist pedo traitor from becoming the most powerful American. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago You could argue the former, yes, I'd concede that. Though, I couldn't say also that makes them "for" tRump... just not opposed to him. Neither is right, mind you. This is a situation where I truly wish that "Did not vote" was the winning candidate. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world 1 point 1 week ago You could argue the former, yes, I'd concede that. Though, I couldn't say also that makes them "for" tRump... just not opposed to him. Neither is right, mind you. This is a situation where I truly wish that "Did not vote" was the winning candidate. permalink fedilink source parent