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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz -1 points 4 weeks ago (3 children)

Stalin's contributions to it are extremely minor, the vast majority of Marxism-Leninism comes from Marx and Lenin.

LOOOOLLLLLLLLL, Mao literally took direct inspiration from Stalin's innovations over Leninism. Mao, whose version of "communism" was then propogated to most of those other countries you mentioned.

If "Stalinism" doesn't exist, then neither does "Maoism."

Your only hope in this conversation is that no one here knows enough about it to dispute your attempts at obfuscation.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

What were Stalin's innovations over Leninism? Be specific. Mao was a Marxist-Leninist, same as Stalin, carrying over Lenin's ideology the way Lenin carried over Marx's ideology. "Maoism" isn't the ideology of Mao, but a deviation made by Gonzalo.

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[–] wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz -3 points 4 weeks ago (1 child)

"Maoism" isn't the ideology of Mao, but a deviation made by Gonzalo.

You mean, like, in the same way that "Marxist-Leninism" isn't the ideology of Marx, but a deviation made by Lenin? (i.e., not Marxism).

What were Stalin's innovations over Leninism?

Well for one thing, you say he coined the term that people today use to refer to Lenin's ideology (not Marx's, which is just "Marxism").

For another thing, there's literally everything that people like you ever say was "Stalin's fault, not Lenin's" when attempting to derail conversations away from "bad shit that happened under the USSR."

Beyond that, I'm getting bored with you and I don't feel the need to go dig up information that literally anyone can find easily, just to prove a point to someone who will ever accept facts and logic.

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[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 5 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Marxism-Leninism is Lenin's advances on Marxism combined with Marxism itself. It's an update, bringing Marxism forward in time to the era of imperialism. "Maoism" was a deviation because it contradicted Marxism and was dogmatic. We can discuss the differences if you like, but you seem stuck here.

For another thing, there’s literally everything that people like you ever say was “Stalin’s fault, not Lenin’s” when attempting to derail conversations away from “bad shit that happened under the USSR.”

Don't put words in my mouth, make an explicit claim. What were Stalin’s innovations over Leninism? I have a hunch that you have no clue what "people like me" say. Everything I have said is easily verifiable, yet you seem allergic to backing your own claims. Why not read Stalin's Foundations of Leninism, and point to what Stalin himself invented rather than took from Lenin. You seem to give Stalin far more credit than he gave himself!

Go ahead, pretend you're bored and not way in over your head with someone that actually knows a decent bit about Marxism.

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