I was dreading writing this since I did not want to risk starting any drama, but I don’t know what else to do anymore after seeing the moderating staff reject my report.

It’s truly undeniable that these last three years have been stressful for all of us — most of all Palestinians — so some cynicism is to be expected. That being said, tolerating anti-Jewish sentiment like this does not help any of us either. All that it really does is play into the Herzlians’ hands, capitulating to their alarmism, and makes our spaces less welcoming to Jewish critics of Zionism. I know that we’re all tired of Herzlians constantly abusing accusations of antisemitism, but going so far as to tolerate that phenomenon only gives them exactly what they want to see.

And for the record, yes, I do think that bashing Germans or Italians or the Japanese per se during World War II would have been wrong, because it misidentifies ethnicity as the real problem and needlessly erases the Germans, Italians, and Japanese folk who opposed the Axis. It would have been easier to understand coming from the people whom the Axis oppressed, but even so I would have gently discouraged that kind of thinking. I refuse to play ethnic supremacists’ games by indulging in a little ethnocentrism myself.

I am not going to ragequit Lemmygrad.ml again, but I have to be honest and admit that tolerance for toxicity like this only makes me less interested in using this forum and convinces me that I was correct to limit my usage anyway. That isn’t meant to be a threat; if you truly see nothing wrong with speech like this then I guess that there’s really not much that I can do to stop you. But however you feel about that, I’ll do what feels natural to me and be around less and less.

‘Jewish people today are a privileged subset of white people in the racial hierarchy that exists in western society. Nobody should be worrying about “anti-semitism” any more than they should have worried about anti-German sentiment or anti-Italian sentiment during the second world war.  If somebody said “fuck the jews”, it is about as offensive as if someone said “fuck white people”, which is to say not at all. There is no implicit racially charged unjustness in those statements as opposed to if someone said “f- black people” or “f- Palestinians”. These groups of people are actual oppressed minorities whereas white people and jews are not oppressed.  Jewish supremacists demand that Jews be treated like an inherently oppressed minority whilst they are actually at the top of the chain. There is a genocide going on. Calling a German a kraut wasn’t offensive during the second world war.  The vast majority of people in the world do not think about or care about Jews. The vast majority of the jews in the world live in Israel which is an ethnostate created for them, and the US where they are at the top of the racial heirarchy, often enjoying much better wealth and social prestige than any other group of people. Anti-semitism is not a 21st century thing anymore.  Apart from fringe neonazi groups, nobody really hates jews for being jews.’
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This is an insane expectation. Pointing out that Jews are not oppressed today is not making Jewish critics of Zionism less welcome. You wouldn't hold anyone to this level of standard for any other people. There is nothing in there that should be offensive to you as a Jewish person, unless you kill babies or are a Jewish Exceptionalist. There is zero anti-jewish sentiment in there. In fact, OP's post reeks of Jewish Exceptionalism.

Most of those things that was said could also very easily apply to white people, but if I had said that about white people, it absolutely wouldn't make White critics of racism any less welcome.

In fact, let's do it. Let's replace "Jew" with "white" in that comment.

White people, tell me if I am making you less welcome :

White people today are at the top of a racial hierarchy that exists in western society. Nobody should be worrying about "anti-white sentiment" any more than they should have worried about anti German sentiment or anti Italian sentiment during world war two.

If somebody says "fuck white people", it is not as offensive as if somebody said "f-black people". Black people are actually oppressed in society whereas white people are not.

White supremacists expect us to treat them better, put them on a pedestal while they are already at the top of the chain. There is a genocide going on. Calling a German a "kraut" wasn't offensive during the second world war.

The vast majority of white people live in the imperial core where racist systems exist to maintain their privileged position. They enjoy much better wealth and social prestige than others.

Apart from fringe black-nationalists, anti-white racism is not a thing. Nobody really hates white people for being white. In fact, many non-white people people internalize and support racist systems inadvertently to the benefit of white people. White people are afforded privileges for being white in every part of the world, and especially in the imperial core.

The US is a white-supremacist hotspot internationally. All white institutions in the imperial core should be dismantled. Explicitly non-racist institutions should be the only ones that should remain.

Fuck all the white people who kill babies and support killing babies.

Oh look at me making all the white people feel less welcome.

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