▲ 381 ▼ EV Charging Doesn't Need to Be as Fast as Gas, Ionna CEO Says (www.thedrive.com) submitted 2 days ago by Mustachius_Grumpius@thelemmy.club to c/technology@lemmy.world 499 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] Zedstrian@sopuli.xyz 22 points 2 days ago (11 children) The technology should still be improved as much as possible. permalink fedilink source hideshow 11 child comments replies: [–] nous@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago Everything is a tradeoff. At this point there are more valuable things to be spending money on than making chargers that are as fast as possible. Not all cars can charge at 500+kWhs many cannot even do 100kWhs. IMO better to spend money upgrading all the slow 7-50kWh chargers. As well as putting in more slow charging near residents. Kerb charging for people that dont have a driveway in cities or chargers for those living in flats. That would serve people better then spending more money on something very few can actually benefit from. permalink fedilink source parent [–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago (5 children) I think for my commute I would prefer a battery chemistry that needed slower charging, if it was cheaper or lasted longer or was safer, or lighter, or whatever. But I think there will always be use cases where it's worth maximizing uptime, like long-haul driving. I wonder if trucking will evolve to do tractor swaps, where rigs coming into charge up will hand off trailers to fresh tractors. That way the cargo doesn't have to take up space in the charging lot or whatever. Or they might do battery swaps. I imagine for above some threshold of cost/minute downtime, the hardware for doing swaps will be worth the extra cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (2 children) In most jurisdictions, trucks are required by law to stop for the driver to rest every 5 hours or so. You can just charge the vehicle then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago oh yeah, duh. the vehicle's uptime is bound by its operator's. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago But drivers swap on the road and don't stop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Nio has had battery hot swapping systems for years, but that's for progressive countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 day ago It infuriating how nice an actual non-fossil-fuel infrastructure could be, if only we had a government that would build it. The Nio battery swaps are cool, I want to convert one of my old tractors to a similar setup, except I'll probably just put a pallet of batteries on top of the engine compartment and forklift them on and off the tractor. But similar idea: let the batteries charge slowly on a rack while the tractor and implements only see a few minutes of downtime. But until we get our political shit together I'm stuck making my own with spit and baling wire. permalink fedilink source parent [–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) BYD did a 1.5MW and Geely did a 2.2MW charging now, but they faced the one big issue with such charging speed : building a facility for it. It requires a tremendous amount of power so it cannot pull only from the grid, so it can't be deployed in most place. That's the challenge they're facing, and even Geely said the speed has peaked. Practically there's no need to have those charging speed, more charger is much more beneficial than super fast charging. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) They face a new issue: morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] walden@wetshav.ing 1 point 1 day ago permalink fedilink source parent [–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 day ago but the fast chargers do need more infrastructure that takes more space and cost, when having MORE slower, cheaper, easier to install AC chargers everywhere will help just as much permalink fedilink source parent
[–] nous@programming.dev 12 points 2 days ago Everything is a tradeoff. At this point there are more valuable things to be spending money on than making chargers that are as fast as possible. Not all cars can charge at 500+kWhs many cannot even do 100kWhs. IMO better to spend money upgrading all the slow 7-50kWh chargers. As well as putting in more slow charging near residents. Kerb charging for people that dont have a driveway in cities or chargers for those living in flats. That would serve people better then spending more money on something very few can actually benefit from. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 4 points 2 days ago (5 children) I think for my commute I would prefer a battery chemistry that needed slower charging, if it was cheaper or lasted longer or was safer, or lighter, or whatever. But I think there will always be use cases where it's worth maximizing uptime, like long-haul driving. I wonder if trucking will evolve to do tractor swaps, where rigs coming into charge up will hand off trailers to fresh tractors. That way the cargo doesn't have to take up space in the charging lot or whatever. Or they might do battery swaps. I imagine for above some threshold of cost/minute downtime, the hardware for doing swaps will be worth the extra cost. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (2 children) In most jurisdictions, trucks are required by law to stop for the driver to rest every 5 hours or so. You can just charge the vehicle then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago oh yeah, duh. the vehicle's uptime is bound by its operator's. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago But drivers swap on the road and don't stop. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Nio has had battery hot swapping systems for years, but that's for progressive countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 day ago It infuriating how nice an actual non-fossil-fuel infrastructure could be, if only we had a government that would build it. The Nio battery swaps are cool, I want to convert one of my old tractors to a similar setup, except I'll probably just put a pallet of batteries on top of the engine compartment and forklift them on and off the tractor. But similar idea: let the batteries charge slowly on a rack while the tractor and implements only see a few minutes of downtime. But until we get our political shit together I'm stuck making my own with spit and baling wire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (2 children) In most jurisdictions, trucks are required by law to stop for the driver to rest every 5 hours or so. You can just charge the vehicle then. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago oh yeah, duh. the vehicle's uptime is bound by its operator's. permalink fedilink source parent [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago But drivers swap on the road and don't stop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 5 points 2 days ago oh yeah, duh. the vehicle's uptime is bound by its operator's. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago But drivers swap on the road and don't stop. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago (1 child) Nio has had battery hot swapping systems for years, but that's for progressive countries. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 day ago It infuriating how nice an actual non-fossil-fuel infrastructure could be, if only we had a government that would build it. The Nio battery swaps are cool, I want to convert one of my old tractors to a similar setup, except I'll probably just put a pallet of batteries on top of the engine compartment and forklift them on and off the tractor. But similar idea: let the batteries charge slowly on a rack while the tractor and implements only see a few minutes of downtime. But until we get our political shit together I'm stuck making my own with spit and baling wire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] thinkercharmercoderfarmer@slrpnk.net 1 point 1 day ago It infuriating how nice an actual non-fossil-fuel infrastructure could be, if only we had a government that would build it. The Nio battery swaps are cool, I want to convert one of my old tractors to a similar setup, except I'll probably just put a pallet of batteries on top of the engine compartment and forklift them on and off the tractor. But similar idea: let the batteries charge slowly on a rack while the tractor and implements only see a few minutes of downtime. But until we get our political shit together I'm stuck making my own with spit and baling wire. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 point 1 day ago (2 children) BYD did a 1.5MW and Geely did a 2.2MW charging now, but they faced the one big issue with such charging speed : building a facility for it. It requires a tremendous amount of power so it cannot pull only from the grid, so it can't be deployed in most place. That's the challenge they're facing, and even Geely said the speed has peaked. Practically there's no need to have those charging speed, more charger is much more beneficial than super fast charging. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) They face a new issue: morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] walden@wetshav.ing 1 point 1 day ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 point 1 day ago (1 child) They face a new issue: morons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] walden@wetshav.ing 1 point 1 day ago permalink fedilink source parent
[–] bountygiver@lemmy.ml 1 point 1 day ago but the fast chargers do need more infrastructure that takes more space and cost, when having MORE slower, cheaper, easier to install AC chargers everywhere will help just as much permalink fedilink source parent