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EV Charging Doesn't Need to Be as Fast as Gas, Ionna CEO Says (www.thedrive.com)
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[–] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (60 children)

We have been wanting an EV (something other than a Swasticar) for our next vehicle and think we could deal with the extended charging times required during a long drive or trip, but we ended up ruling it out.

For us the big problem is the difficulty getting parts and service. Service for the models we looked at is only available at dealers (and only some dealers), and parts are regularly not in dealer stock.

We really don't want to risk taking a cross-county trip and having the car break down 200 miles from the nearest mechanic. With the additional real possibility of having to wait weeks (or months) for a part, an EV is not an appealing choice for us, at least not yet.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 day ago (33 children)

    What are you expecting to break down? A modern internal combustion engine plus continuously variable transmission is one the world's most complex pieces of engineering in common use today.

    An electric drive system is trivial in comparison.

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  • [–] 2 points 18 hours ago

    You would think that, but Hyundai EVs are popping ICCU fuses and Tesla motors all leak coolant from the seals. There is a Tesla that went 3 million kms. Only needed 4 battery swaps, but it needed 14 motors. Coolant leaks will be problem at higher mileage.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    This is the truth. 4 years with a Chevy Bolt EUV and so far I have only replaced the tires and windshield wiper fluid. As someone who worked on several ICE cars for 2 decades, it's kind of a dream to have so few things that can go wrong. The number of moving parts in a EV is a couple magnitudes less than an ICE car.

    People don't account for the time I am not spending at gas stations sniffing fumes every week or getting oil changes. The handfull of times I don't charge at home are a fraction of time spent dealing with ICE routine maintenance.

    The only thing I am slightly worried about is that my car has 3 coolant loops, which is one of my least favorite repairs.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (7 children)

    I'd be worried about some of the electronics, modern cars, electric or not, tend to be overcomplicated with tablets and server connections and what have you. I might also worry about getting into an accident.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 day ago (6 children)

    Hate to tell you this, but cars have been like this for about 15 years now.

    Been a long time since ol Joe at the gas station could fill the tank and tune your carburetor with a screwdriver.

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

    Yes but other cars can be repaired at any mechanic rather than just at a dealer, which is the issue we were talking about above.

    I am well aware of the computerization of cars, how carburetors have not been a thing for more like 30 years, and how generally electric vehicles are better than combustion ones but both are worse than public transit.

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  • [–] 1 point 4 hours ago

    I have a seven year old Volvo.

    It cannot be repaired at a mechanic beyond simple mechanical things. Everything else has to pass through a Volvo dealer because they locked down their software (Vida) and regular mechanics COULD buy it, but it would cost them several thousand dollars a year for the subscription. Unless they are going to specialize, it's not worth it. I cannot drop my car off at joe's garage.

    There's no real difference between ICE and electrics in that regard. You can still do basic repairs to an electric like brakes, tires, suspension, etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

    My fears are software/firmware issues or battery pack failure. It’s an impossible problem for the common man to solve and you are beholden to the manufacturer. And at what cost? Minor accident? Manufacturer declares it unfixable and deactivates it. Doesn’t even matter if you repair it. Boo!

    I really want one, but I can still repair my current car myself if needed.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 day ago (3 children)

    I think the reason they don’t have spare parts is because the motors are less complicated and, in theory, will need fewer replacement parts. An ICE motor is like 10,000+ moving parts, an electric motor is like 300 moving parts. They’re an order of magnitude less complicated.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    My biggest problem with my EV is that I was stupid to get the service pack as it never has any service needs. Breaks last twice as long. No oil changes. No critical fluids other than wiper fluid. The easiest to fail part is the 12v battery which is standard for any car. If something hard to replace fails it is going to be a sensor and I've had that happen on a gas car before and no one had it in stock because no one stocks random sensors.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago* (3 children)

    The only time i seen a new EV breakdown is due to...that 12v battery. It usually happened around 2 or 3 years down. Other than that i still haven't seens any EV breakdown yet.

    Also for the part availability, logically newly released car tend to not having part laying around because logically no one will expect a new car to break down and waste a storage space for it, so no matter what car you buy it will be the same. But if a new car(released only 2 to 3 years) have parts widely available, then logically speaking, is that car still reliable?

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  • [–] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    EVs can break down. It tends to be less frequent but more expensive. I just had a bigger repair on mine. I'll be crunching the numbers one of these days to see what the average cost of repairs has been.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago*

    No argument on that, just that it be strange to worry about replacement part for an EV that isn't 5 or more years old. You will make as less sense if apply that to ICEV too, no new vehicle are expected to breakdown. Whatever module that might break on an ICEV will break on an EV too, but that's not enough to dismiss the point that EV is much more reliable solely because there's significantly less part required to run it.

    You won't find any readily available part for a newly launched EV the same way you won't find any readily available part for a newly launched ICEV.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 day ago

    For context, parts are as available as they need to be. IOW, parts are in stock when they are frequently needed. If a part is rarely needed, it won't be in stock locally.

    If you choose a common EV model, like GM, Hyundai, or even Tesla, you are extremely unlikely to suddenly need extensive service. Dealers (with EV mechanics) are common, with multiple in every major city, and a parts network that can have anything shipped overnight.

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