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[–] 1 point 1 week ago (7 children)

It's simply not up to us as British people to decide whether Palestinians or indeed Israelis, should organise themselves this way or that way. It is clearly within our remit to forcefully denounce violence and discrimination and systems of oppression, but what the affected people choose to do is not for us to tell them.

It is for us to produce the economic and political pressure for Israel to submit to making necessary changes in the interest of peace and equality. The exact nature of those changes is no more our business than it was to preside over this region 80 years ago. If the Palestinian people hold a legitimate referendum and decide to pursue a single state, we can cross that bridge when we come to it. We have no business telling them that that should hold a referendum to produce that result.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    We organised them that way! We are the reason it's such a fucking mess, we can expend our resources removing Israel instead of telling Palestinians it's their problem now.

    People like you are exactly why there's a genocide going on, because you're not willing to confront our complicity in the situation.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago

    I explicitly said that it's our responsibility to apply economic and political pressure to Israel. But without a clear mandate from the Palestinian people, it's not our place to try to dissolve the Israeli state. The Palestinian people do not agree on the eventual solution to their problems but they do agree that applying economic pressure via BDS, even if it causes Palestinians harm in the short term, is the mechanism for achieving a better situation for their people. We accordingly support them by applying BDS, in line with their wishes.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    It’s simply not up to us as British people to decide whether Palestinians or indeed Israelis, should organise themselves this way or that way.

    I don't know, you guys seemed pretty gung-ho about the idea while creating the state of Israel from Palestine.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (3 children)

    It's almost as if some of us are trying to learn from the past rather than endlessly repeating the same mistakes.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago (2 children)

    So what, you transplant a foreign people into another land, move on, and then when the foreign people start eating the natives you just sigh loudly and proclaim 'we've learned from our mistakes and we won't interfere no longer' ?

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago* (1 child)

    It is for us to produce the economic and political pressure for Israel to submit to making necessary changes in the interest of peace and equality. The exact nature of those changes is no more our business than it was to preside over this region 80 years ago.

    Did you read this part? It is our responsibility to apply BDS to allow Palestinians the economic and political power to take on their oppressor. It is not our responsibility to determine for them how they wish to do that.

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