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YouTube video titled "What is end times fascism and how do we organize it" by Democratic Socialists of America
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[–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

we have a material analysis, fascism is a response to crisis? they watched a 5 min video by zizek and they think they discovered some hidden secret or something. fucking opportunists.

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  • [–] 0 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Jesse what the fuck are you talking about

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    the first sentence is a quote from the image. the rest is my response. democratic socialism is idealist by nature, which is the exact opposite of materialist. you cannot have an idealist ideology as your base but claim to have a materialist analysis. they are incompatible and will not arrive at the proper political analysis.

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  • [–] -1 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    I'll be honest, I still don't understand what your critique is.

    I haven't read this book, but fwiw I've heard Klein and Taylor discuss it on The Fire These Times and Know Your Enemy and found their ideas thoughtful and useful.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    i think i explained it pretty clearly, but ok. i guess in even simpler terms the issue is that they are a reactionary right wing ideology disguised as leftism. you can see from the recent betrayal by mamdani that democratic socialism can't achieve anything at all. it's essentially a zionist movement created with the purpose of coopting anti zionist movement into doing nothing at all.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 week ago* (4 children)

    Is your gripe with "Democratic Socialism" as a concept? Because these authors were interviewed by the DSA? If so, that seems silly. I don't even know what political theory each of them identifies with.

    Have you considered assessing the ideas presented by Naomi Klein and Astra Taylor on their merits?

    Here's the interview with Elia Ayoub: https://thefirethesetimes.com/2025/06/30/the-rise-of-end-times-fascism-w-naomi-klein-astra-taylor/

    For anyone not familiar, Elia is a great thinker and interviewer. He's a Lebanese Palestinian journalist and historian. Check him out.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    "Listen to this Zionazi for political theory" no thanks.

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  • [–] -3 points 1 week ago (1 child)

    It sounds like you have no idea who Naomi Klein is and have never read a single thing she's written or said (including that article).

    For anyone interested, the actual article: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/oct/11/why-are-some-of-the-left-celebrating-the-killings-of-israeli-jews

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  • [–] 1 point 1 week ago

    i'm sure i will find some of their ideas interesting and i will learn things, too. the same has happened to me while reading numerous western imperialists, foucault is a very interesting read, albeit one that reeks of the ideals of european settlers. the same is true of most writers. in fact, i dare say i have read more people i disagree that those i agree with, because that is the material reality of our world.

    my point is not that, but rather than beyond this facade of little interesting ideas lies the ugly face of fascism. i cannot take, i cannot truly recommend, and even so much more less if they are interpolated by the DSA.

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