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[–] 9 points 1 week ago (1 child)

Historically that's also why we moved away from execution methods like hangings.

We kind of distilled down a way to remove people from the equation as much as possible to both I guess spread responsibility (making a large group of people have a hand in the execution to the point where no one person is singularly responsible), but also we seem to have gone out of our way to automate a lot of what goes into an execution to sterilize it of guilt as much as possible. This is at least part of why I don't believe in it.

I feel that execution is vengeance based. It's not about making the person pay for their crimes (because very often prison is a worse experience than death).

Justice is about repaying a debt to society and being rehabilitated. If rehabilitation is off the table then the next best thing is to incarcerate a person so they can't be a threat to themselves or others.

The US is terrible at both somehow and I don't like or believe in our justice system but for a bar that was already in the basement we sure did find an elevator headed down didn't we.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 week ago

    Lately I've come to have doubts about the ethicality even of prison, though I don't yet know what I'd suggest instead. In general Ive come around to the idea that the very notion that causing suffering creates a "debt" that must be repaid with more suffering on the part of the perpetrator is itself toxic, because if some way can be found to cause a person to live a life that will not inflict more harm without hurting that person, then that method would be better, at least in a utilitarianist sense, than something more "fair" relying on punishment. The challenge of course is in finding that way is.

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