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Tankies hate this one weird trick (europe.pub)
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I don't like spending this much time arguing against campism but they just keep talking at me.

A picture of Gus Friv captioned "I'm cool with communism because I don't believe it has to be authoritarian; you're cool with communism because you don't mind if its authoritarian; we are not the same."
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[–] [S] -1 points 1 week ago (3 children)

First, regarding recommoning the means of production: it's not a single discrete thing, but rather a collection of economic and political policies and approaches.

Look into is Solidarity Economies: this is a term that bundles together worker cooperatives, housing coops, public banks, credit unions, and all the other structures that allow groups of people to cut investors out of the critical institutions on which we rely.

As for the other part: progressive taxation is not authoritarian and does not require authoritarianism.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    Progressive taxation would be a bandaid solution in my opinion but, maybe I'm being dramatic. Solidarity economics sound great as a shift in production.

    The point I suppose I failed to make. In order to reverse course and affect radical change, you would need to enact taxation policies (FBI style raids on penthouses, IRS investigations into corporations, ICE style black bagging of CEOs etc.) that would be heavy handed. The heavy handedness one would think of when a regular person, like myself, misuses the term "authoritarian".

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 1 week ago* (1 child)

    Well, I'll give you some nuance then:

    You're right. A revolution is not going to be bloodless. Use of force requires moral compromises, and we probably won't get there with our hands clean.

    But: I think there's a big difference between the contradictions we struggle to navigate as we strive to build a world without masters, and the choice to enthusiastically hand unchecked power to "good" masters who we naively expect to treat us well even when we have no means to constrain them or impose accountability.

    Put another way, I can tolerate grey areas we're reluctantly forced into if our goals are anti-authoritarian, because I believe that such a project would have a good chance of reigning in those excesses. But if we accept and embrace domination from the start, the outcome is inevitably that we all wind up under a boot. Does that make sense?

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