I don't like spending this much time arguing against campism but they just keep talking at me.

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[–] 18 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Democracy works, the problem is we don’t have a true democracy. We have corporate capitalist democracy. It’s a system that makes most people think it’s democracy — but it’s not.

Democracy and capitalism can not exist in the same stratosphere if democracy is to succeed.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    The conditions under which democracy works are well understood.

    You need a populace educated on how the society and government works at least in its broad strokes. That education should also instill a preference for democracy and describe the pitfalls of other systems.

    An independent media system to keep the voter base reasonably informed.

    Systems in place to prevent corruption.

    Every single one of these have been eroded over 1-2 generations by crony capitalism to enable wealth accumulation.

    I would not say that democracy in the US is a reasonable example of what democracy can look like. It is what happens when democracy is being deliberately sabotaged.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 day ago (1 child)

    You also need a fully open and transparent government, any information being classified top secret or anything of the sort means you cannot have a democracy. No secrets can be allowed, ever. And really the only way to reasonably guarantee stuff like that is to make officials surrender all privacy related rights for life, just permanent publicly open insight into every aspect of your life, past, present, and future if you want to pursue office. I'd argue for attaching 24/7 live streamed cameras to them during their time in office as well. Obviously this would only currently work for rich countries with obscene military expenditures, like the US, but if the big guys were to do it then it would eventually be safe enough for the rest of them.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago

    This seems extreme. I agree with more transparency of politicians, but I don't see our current problems as stemming directly from the fact that our military has top secret information and an intelligence service.

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  • [–] -4 points 2 days ago (7 children)

    Democracy works

    Citation needed

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    There has never been a democracy, so we don't know if it works or not. Democracy is an ideal state. We all live under a dictatorship of capital.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 day ago

    I mean small bits of democracy exist everywhere. Charity groups often work as a democracy. The youth organization I was in as a kid operated as a great democracy.

    There are little democratic groups all over the world working just fine. It’s the large scale corporate hellscape that keeps it from working for us as a whole.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

    Idealist philosophy is the worst thing that has ever happened to humanity. Just totally decouple your goals from actual reality, and make zero plans on how to get there, then critique movements that fail to measure up to your pie in the sky. You see, actually achieving things is secondary to these people, what REALLY MATTERS is looking like a good person when you're doing it. "They don't want power, they just want to endlessly critique power."

    The ruling class has put in place a system that is impossible to change without doing horrible, violent, and socially unacceptable things, that is why it's so stable.

    I really wished we lived in this world where convincing people of your ideas was enough to bring systemic change, it just won't for some things.

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  • [–] -1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

    Amerikkkan politician in the gif, lmao.

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