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So, the only people I've had ask me to play Overcooked 2 have been women.
I think the game might just be popular with women, as unfortunate as the optics are. That being said, it is a very fun video game that I would have overlooked had multiple people not recommended it to me.
Honestly, it's not really a cooking game, it's about trying to reign in the inherent chaos that you and your friends are naturally capable of.
I think the term is ~~friendslop~~, and I'm 100% all for it. Let me dick around with my friends. (For what it's worth I actually think it's a well made game.)
Edit: I've been made aware that friendslop isn't entirely accurate. Party game is more fitting.
Yeah, my understanding of "friendslop" is that it's a crappily-made game, which becomes fun with friends. I would not count Overcooked into that...
It's not that they're ever crappy games, but for some reason some people see them that way because they think the only reason people play the game or have fun playing it is due to the friends they play it with and that's it. It's a bit of a reductive genre description in my opinion because I've yet to see that be the case. The poster children of "friendslop"; PEAK and REPO, both have good solo speed running communities for example.
So I don't know enough about Overcooked to say it's a poorly made game, however it is very simple and kind of only fun because of friends.
At least, that's my opinion β there might be some gamers that genuinely play it by themselves. More power to them.
Well, how crappy it is, is quite essential here. π
A non-crappy game, which is significantly more fun with friends, is what I would simply refer to as a "multiplayer game".
Particularly simple games might also be deemed good "party games" (because you can simply chuck someone a controller and they can participate). But Overcooked also has a campaign mode, so I'd say it's somewhere in between.
Well, and it doesn't use stock textures/models, it doesn't have funky/funny physics bugs etc., so I wouldn't say Overcooked is crappy, which is why I personally would not deem it "friendslop" at all...
That's a fair assessment, so I should call it partyslop ;3.
I'm kidding, I accept your definition β party game it is.
You're describing cooking with friends
That is fair, it is very fun from what I've seen people play it, if not a bit frustrating to the point of people screaming at each other (all in good fun tho) and that CAN make for excellent content. Definitely agree on the optics being absolute dogwater tho π
I mean, that's half the fun of it β Overcooked 2 is just haphazard chaos sometimes.
Well, there's still a huge difference between individual women deciding they want to play a cooking game (or even want to conform to a traditional role model) vs. a celebration on the day associated with the fight for women's rights framing women in a setting where they traditionally did not have rights.
I mean, I do assume this isn't the only game and it isn't as bad as this singular social post looks, but they could've easily steered clear of that whole problem entirely by picking virtually any other video game.
And if the decision was made entirely by women because they think the game is fun?
Sexism, clearly.
If they are fighting for equality in pay and recognition of work? Sure.
Else they are bowing to patriarchy and peobably report to a male supervisor which gave his okay. Or hell, even a woman with very conservatice world view.
I do not think, it makes a difference who made the decision. PR is about how it looks to the outside.
If you wanted to play it anyways, then your messaging should include something which can be as simple as:
We gave women a choice and they want to play Overcooked, so that's what we're doing.
The thing is, anything you play on that occasion is going to be political, because they could be playing games for fun at any other point in time.
Perhaps taken to the extreme, I would argue that even if all living women came together and decided that it's fun and they want to play Overcooked or similar, they would still want to be conscious of their messaging.
Partially, because non-women will be the recipient of that messaging. Partially, because women's rights have a history that you want to commemorate on that day as well. Would the feminists of the past be happy with that choice, too? Would their sons and grandsons be, that are alive today?
But well, also just because it really isn't hard to do better here. Especially when women were involved in that decision, they would more likely be aware of the struggle and able to steer clear of dumb messaging quite easily.
So, I understand why your morals are telling you this is wrong. I don't necessarily disagree, either β just so we're clear.
Would the feminists of the past be happy with that choice, too?
Yes, I think they would. I think that women being allowed to play video games about being a manic chef team would be infinitely better than the conditions past feminists/ women faced. I think that some of them might recognize the irony of it, however it's an irony that could only exist because women have rights in current year.
Seriously, 75-100 years ago women would never have been allowed to play video games (assuming they actually existed, which they did not). They would have been relegated to a boys activity and the status quo would continue as usual for girls.
So when are women allowed back in the kitchen? Is there a point where you dont get a raised eyebrow because of stodgy outdated stereotypes? Is there a point where women can be in the kitchen without it being framed as "bad optics"? How about Black people eating watermelon and fried chicken? Or east Asians who are good at math and science? Indians in medicine and IT? The British and cultural appropriation?
Seeing everything through the eyes of stereotypes only diminishes the world, even if youre ostensibly defending against it.
Don't show it first.
Not that difficult.
I don't know why I should respond to that. You list a bunch of things I did not say and ignore that the main point of my comment was that there's a difference between individuals and a celebration/commemoration. Feel free to disagree, but please don't put words in my mouth to argue against.
You are the one making an issue out of it for an entire group of people because of your own perceived optics. You're not even saying you're offended. Just that there's the possibility of causing offense.
Why does theoretical offense clearly not intended by the social media post matter? Why cant people just have fun? Why do you need to drag controversy into celebration?
There are places that refuse to let women go out in public and you're whining that there's the possibility that a Twitter post is going to set us back 70 years somehow.
It only matters to people who see controversy everywhere and refuse to enjoy themselves. Let me know when there's an actual issue where people are actually affected by it, otherwise I will consider you to be little more than one of those people in the middle of times square with a cardboard sign screaming that the world is run by lizards and we should drill out our fillings to keep them from controlling us.
Let people enjoy things.
I've had men who wanted to play it, but yeah it's definitely more popular with women. Great game
it could just coincidence that a very fun coop game that happens to be about cooking was choosen, I wouldn't assume bad intention
Overcooked is great, they have good tastes.
I believe women have the right to enjoy any game
There is a difference between promotion material and what's included in a deal.
Showing of cooking games first and foremost is implying a stereotypical picture where a woman should be present.
Ehhh
Ok ?
So, is it racist to put black people in a KFC commercial ? Black people too can enjoy KFC meal, but there is a stereotype regarding them and chicken. Should we avoid having black people in KFC ads ?
No?
But it would be if they were picking cotton before and then cut over to them eating a bucket in the shade.
I'm too old to get this? ELI 50?
An event for women playing a game about cooking.
I mean if it was intended that way, it's pretty nasty, but a game is a game, and Overcooked is a ton of fun and chaotic, so it's entertaining to watch as well.
Ah damn, completely woooosh moment. I know the game, but didn't associated it with "women in the kitchen". Maybe because I do the cooking π.
Progress through completely not getting misogynistic jokes I guess?
It's a cooking game
Your screen name game is on point.
Grow up.