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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 60 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Genuinely boggled that anyone would think this is not the same geopolitical players behind Brexit and trump. It’s exactly the same. If there was a big red bus with ‘Alberta will be more free in the US’ it couldn’t be more the same.

  1. it’s not going to happen; it’s never going to happen
  2. it’s not about seceding or annexation - it’s about politically dividing Albertans specifically, and Canada more generally.
  3. Again, this is the same psyop playbook, top to bottom - there is nothing behind it except oligarch money and bot farms.
[–] TheGreatRapsBeat@lemmy.world 9 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I hope you are right, and generally speaking I believe the same way you do on the matter. Sure they had lineups 2000 people long in every community, but that’s it. Everyone that was going to sign their stupid petitions signed them the first 3 days.

But if you are like me and live here, the sentiment is very much “fuck Ottawa” more than “fuck Canada.” It’s sad how easily affected a population can be when it comes to propaganda like this. It’s sad really. And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 4 points 19 hours ago

And we thought thought as a society, making sure everyone can read and write a lawful requirement was a good thing.

It’s not wrong there’s just an evil financial incentive to keep literacy at a certain level.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 18 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Hey, just tossing this out there, but rather than have you guys join America, can we join Canada? Just the nice folks, I promise, we don't want the MAGAs either.

[–] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 4 points 18 hours ago

let's round all the MAGA up and ship them to MAGA camps where they can MAGA each other until--

wait a sec....

[–] NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social 55 points 1 day ago

And herein lies is the real reason AI is being so heavily funded.

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 13 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

Canadian or Provincial annexation is a terrible deal for 2 main reasons.

US debt, and power projection, is on a near term collapse trajectory. Insane healthcare, military spending levels for no social services is higher effective tax/oppression rate on people/small business. Changes in provincial (and/or federal) government structure would be extremely disruptive.

Territorial possession of the US is far more likely than statehood. Far less generous autonomy (Quebec especially) granted by Federal government, and autonomy eroded continuously like native treaties have been. Increased north/south trade seems nice, but "real states" will get federal manufacturing incentives, and possessions will be hollowed out to 3rd world level. Jones act regulations on sea shipping means high cost of living.

While tariffs decrease unity as they should, the whole "protect steel and auto workers for outrageously expensive cars in states that don't have those industries" is reason for highest GDP states to secede from genuinely corrupt political process, that propagandizes swing states on national socialist domination of uneconomic operations delivering no results for them, and shit product for the oppressed states.

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 3 points 10 hours ago

Yeah, this is basically where I'm at. We don't want to make Canada an actual state. What we want to do, is make it a colony, in the 17th century idea: we rule everything, and whatever you do, it just gets shipped southwards to prop up what's left of the imperial core.

[–] CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca -2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

You do realize Canada's debt is higher than USA, right?

[–] Jtotheb@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

The USA’s debt is about 30 times greater than Canada’s debt. Canada’s total debt is actually lower than the USA’s annual federal deficit. Canada’s debt to GDP ratio is far better than the U.S.’s at about 10% compared to over 100%.

Did you specifically mean household debt?

[–] TheGreatRapsBeat@lemmy.world 5 points 20 hours ago

You definitely do not need to tell anyone on here twice my friend. Your comment could be used in a sub or two over at Reddit though. Then again, they’d probably just drown you out with “fucking libtard” comments.

[–] michaelalf@lemmy.world 116 points 1 day ago (10 children)

I rarely get ads, thanks to pihole. But whenever my server is down for maintenance etc. I get spammed with "Visit the USA!" and "America the Beautiful" ads. I live in Australia... Why the fuck would I want to visit that shithole country?

It seems like the US is drowning and is trying desperately to get more people in to replace the "illegals" they're deporting. Maybe I'm just their target audience (straight, white, male) ughh.... makes me feel gross.

[–] HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

What you're seeing, unironically, is a century long conspiracy from billionaires to put the entire North American continent and northern South America under a single fascist state called "The Technate of America".

I shit you not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy_movement?wprov=sfla1

Even Elon Musk's grandpa was in on this. And now their dependents are trying (through the MAGA movement) make it happen.

Why is Trump obsessed with annexing Greenland? Why did he invade Venezuela and kidnap Maduro? Why is he starving Cuba and threatening war? Why is he demanding Canada be annexed by America?

This is why. Billionaires are cashing in on their century long investment of colonizing a world power and establishing themselves as the leaders of the world. It sounds moronic and like a conspiracy theory, but its real, and these people are dumb enough to try it.

[–] Tiral@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago

Sounds like someone needs a double dose of.... FREEDOM! /s

[–] Mirshe@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

No, we definitely are trying to use rich whites as a patch on the leaking dam now that we've been trying to deport all the "illegals" as fast as we can (and to get the administration filthy fucking rich). "Rich" in this case being "over $50k/year so we might be able to get them to buy a car and rent an apartment Considering they're talking about lifting the immigration restrictions on white South Africans specifically.

[–] redsand@infosec.pub 11 points 22 hours ago

Just a different kind of gambling ad. Gamble your life for a discounted trip to Disney World. Will you make it big or get sent to El Salvador?

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 60 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Hi, American here. Please never come here. While YOU would be mostly safe, we are still a dumpster fire.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Eh, if we manage to get our shit together I encourage everyone to visit our national parks. It's not safe now or for the foreseeable future, but if it is in the future, they really are something to behold.

[–] carmo55@lemmy.zip 5 points 20 hours ago

Before trump 2 electric boogaloo this was one of my biggest dreams..

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[–] lechekaflan@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Once again, Putin and his gnomes spreading discord, anything to break the West.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 3 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

Why would Putin be behind this when Trump has openly talked about annexing Canada and has just recently met with Alberta separatists??

I swear, Westerners will use any excuse to blame China/Russia. There could be an American pedophile procuring children for American politicians and they would still blame Russia. Oh wait... they actually fucking did. Wake up and smell the shit from your own political class.

The West breaks itself by being imperialist warmongers. Some slop Youtube videos ain't gonna do shit.

[–] Bane_Killgrind@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 9 hours ago

Cheeto likely has compromat on him

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

Don't be dense, all major powers engage in this tom foolery.

https://www.infosecurity-magazine.com/news/us-indicts-russian-promoting/

I have no problem with the statement that the US breaks itself and I hope you are right, but my cynical part tells me it isn't even about nations anymore.

[–] merdaverse@lemmy.zip 1 points 50 minutes ago* (last edited 46 minutes ago)

From what we know right now, Russia being behind this is just conspiracy theory. A bad conspiracy theory because it doesn't make any sense:

Let's say you want to make your geopolitical rival weaker. It makes sense to promote California separatism because they would lose a state that massively contributes to its economy (this is assuming that the news is accurate and not just US propaganda). It doesn't make any sense to promote Alberta separatism and give your enemy an extra free state, because that makes it stronger.

This is exactly what the US does when funding Radio Free Asia: it promotes separatist movements in China.

[–] yottle@kopitalk.net 56 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The Trump administration has also been holding meetings with the leaders behind the Alberta separatist movement ( source). At this point I wouldn't be surprised to learn that the US is performing a targeted destabilization campaign against Canada.

[–] mPony@lemmy.world 17 points 21 hours ago

They absolutely fucking are doing that. There may be other parties involved, take your pick. Everything surrounding this is basically a Brexit-style psyop.

Alberta has fossil fuels and minerals. America wants them. Simple as that.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 8 points 22 hours ago

They're trying to do it all over the world. It's just easier to do next door bcz it's close by.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Who coordinates it? I mean, isn't this the political influencing the right wing fears so much?

[–] Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca 5 points 22 hours ago

But the Left doesn't want it to happen, so you can see how their hands are tied.

[–] Tim_Bisley@piefed.social 39 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

There has been a concerted effort to isolate Canada and the US from each other in recent years. Also within Canada itself the rise of US style individualism has been depressing to see. Its wild how much social media has been weaponized by most nation states to use against others.

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[–] DarkCloud@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Trump and crew need a reason to stay in office after 2028... They believe being in a war allows that due to "war powers".

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