Is this really where we're at? I've seen like five like this on here just today. Where are these wildly extreme views coming from? I need actual sources that are not simply other memes.
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But these articles indicate that neo-nazis are involved. I read that as they are present, but they are not representative. This is like saying that all of USA are pedophiles because of their orange-faced, democratically-elected, and still-in-power leader...
I read that as they are present, but they are not representative
https://dailytelegraph.co.nz/news/zelensky-names-commando-unit-after-wwii-nazi-collaborators/
How many times do they have to all but come out and say we support Nazis before it becomes representative?
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There were Jewish Nazi collaborators you fucking idiot they're not mutually exclusive. Also nice job showing everyone you lack the capability to respond you fucking child. Answer the question how many times do they have to come out and give honors to Nazis and Nazi collaborators before it's representative?
Average pro banderite government turbolib:
Your question is invalid. You want a clear, partisan response that reinforces a myopic world view. I talk to you like an insolent child because you act like one. The reality of the situation in Ukraine is far more complex than a few journalists, buzz-terms, or a few memes can encapsulate. You don't actually want discussion or debate. You want to believe you spotted something that few others have. I think you're missing about 99% of the detail required to help you form a question that I actually would be interested in engaging.
Thank you for the word salad you massively arrogant idiot. The answer for most people is 1. If Amerika, Germany, France etc decided to name a military division after a Nazi division or rebury Nazis/Nazi collaborators with state honours every reasonable person would be able to point and say this is a problem that needs fixing. The fact that you have a hatred of Russia is not allowing you to see it in this case. I'm not asking you to be pro Russia simply to realise that modern Ukraine has an issue (which it very clearly and well documented does).
You want to believe you spotted something that few others have.
No it's really well documented hence all the links you idiot.
Also "oh it's so complex they really had to do all these pro nazi things" is cope for idiots. Grow up you petulant child.
I actually would be interested in engaging.
All you're clearly interested in doing is prostrating before Nazis in Ukraine for being anti Russia.
So you're calling me a Nazi? This is proof of Godwin's law. Let me try and dumb-down my position a bit for you...
Does the Ukraine itself have a chequered past with allegiences going east and west over time? Yes.
Is it clear that Ukraine have recruited the help of some highly questionable groups? Yes.
Does that make them representative of those groups? No.
Are they doing this because they're in an extremely challenging position with limited options? Yes.
Would I do the same if I was in a similar position? Perhaps...?
Does this short list come close to fully summarizing the situation in Ukraine? Not at all.
I didn't call you a nazi? Why are you incapable of responding like a reasonable person? I'm not trying to summarise Ukraine's entire situation I'm pointing to a single well documented issue that runs from the head of the country right down to the boots on the ground of them having an issue with honouring Nazis (which is again extremely well documented). This is clearly an issue as would be rightfully pointed out if it was happening anywhere else. The fact you keep caping for deflecting and trying to act like it's something that it's not is just fucking idiotic.
If the head of government is constantly doing things to please and appease Nazis and Nazi collaborators how unrepresentative could they possibly be they clearly hold some major political sway. Which is an issue that needs fixing not handwaving and appeasement.
No, I'm wondering what genuine options Zelensky has. It strikes me that he's not in a position to make well balanced decisions. If he doesn't recruit the help of these Nazis than what would be the reality for his campaign against the Russian invaders and pro-Russians in his country? Is there evidence that Zelensky has recruited the help of these Nazis because he genuinely, and wholeheartedly supports their policitcal aims? These would be kind of questions that would be asked in court. I think it's reasonable to look at a few memes and articles and believe the full picture is still much deeper.
Ok so these Nazis hold enough political sway that the head of government has no choice but to please and appease them and yet you continue to say they are not representative and not an issue? Do you even hear yourself?
Also I'm not making any judgement off just memes and articles but off studying the conflict since it began in 2014 (which you clearly haven't given how you're approaching this and some of the reprehensible shit you're saying in endorsing the banderite campaign against ethnic Russians)
I do continue to say it. Are pedophiles representative of the USA? They voted one in and still have him there after the abundant evidence that he contributed to the abuse and trafficking of girls and underage young women. I'll agree that Nazis are representative of Ukraine if you agree that pedophiles are representative of good ol' 'Murica.
Yes I would. Pedophiles and murders are absolutely representative of the US government lmao you don't think they are? Amerika has been the most evil empire on earth since 1949. Raping pillaging and genociding across the world from the banana republics to Gaza to Jakarta.
Ah, OK. I rolled the dice on that one. Didn't realise you would so easily agree. I think I see that we just have different views on whether a country represents the ideals of one or a smaller number of actors, whether or not they have made their way to the higher echelons of government. It's clear that we're not going to see eye to eye on this. Thanks for the exchange though.
I'm not thankful you've been nothing but an aggressive petulant child caping for Nazis because you hate Russia.
That's fair. To be honest I started with the theory that you were a bot or some pro-Russian propaganda tool. Now I believe you're human I'd like apologise for the aggression. You didn't deserve that.
Yah I think these are some weird propaganda attempt.
It's very odd. I'm trying to work out if its pro-Russian activists hijacking a largely unregulated and slightly obscure social networking platform or if it's just extremist lefties who've gone so far to left they've gone around the back and reappeared on the far right! Either way the absence of (or presence of shit) moderators is noticeable here...
Marxist-Leninists typically critically support the Russian Federation for it's progressive role in opposing imperialism, presently spearheaded by the United States and secondarily from the broader west, such as the UK, France, Germany, and the various settler-colonies and imperialist coalition groups. Lemmy.ml has always had MLs.
This all sounds lovely, but I'm struggling to see Russia's role in opposing imperialism following their repeated incursions into Ukrainian territory and the more recent full-blown military invasion and the subsequent war. I understand imperialism can be summarised by one nation ruling or attempting to rule over another. How do Russia's actions with Ukraine represent a "progressive" role in opposing it?
For that you'd need to recognize the people in donbas as humans.
As long as you don't, you won't understand.
When iran fights against genocide in palestine, when russia fights against genocide in donbas, the most important parallel between those two is that the burgerlanders' lackeys are the genociders.
I'm genuinely asking for information here. You talk as though my lack of understanding is some kind of position I choose to maintain. There are very few cases in which I would choose to dehumanise anyone. Except for perhaps the most extreme incidents of violent crime.
I'm someone who wants to learn what you know. Tell me.
I’m following imperialism as it was first analyzed by John A. Hobson as it was arising in its modern form, then correctly carried forward and codified by Lenin, then advanced to the modern day by people like Nkrumah and Cheng Enfu. Imperialism is characterized by the following:
-The presence of monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life.
-The merging of bank capital with industrial capital into finance capital controlled by a financial oligarchy.
-The export of capital as distinguished from the simple export of commodities.
-The formation of international monopolist capitalist associations (cartels) and multinational corporations.
-The domination and exploitation of other countries by militaristic imperialist powers, now through neocolonialism.
-The territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers.
These are the mechanisms by which imperialism functions today, and they do not apply to Russia. Russia is largely a commodity exporter, with a paltry sum of finance capital, and no colonies nor neocolonies. Russia is not economically exploiting the global south, either. It is not colonial, nor neocolonial, nor imperialist.
Instead, Russia is working against the western powers that do fit this definition. It's undermining NATO, the IMF, the Petrodollar, all means by which the global south is super-exploited by the global north.
Thank you for this. Probably the first genuine attempt to answer my question without a single attack or ounce of vitriol :)
I do I see this argument, I really do! But this description does imply a sense of global altruism in Russia's foreign policy. Even if Russia's actions could be interpreted that way, how can outsiders trust Russia's starting of wars and territorial expansion as anything other than selfish?
I ask this knowing full well that the west/north is guilty of atrocities over the same period. The issue is simply that I am in the west/north and I'd probably sooner see the world transition into anarchy than I would see it controlled by yet another powerful elite.
The kind of communism I want to see is one by the people for the people. I wouldn't trust Putin or any of the current leaders to seize the world then give it back to us. Do you believe otherwise?
Russia isn't fighting imperialism out of a sense of altriusm, though, as with all things, there are genuine altruists in Russia that do wish to help the world even if this isn't why they are doing it. Russia is fighting imperialism out of its own desire for survival. In this case, it is playing a progressive historical role, even if it needs to transition to socialism in the future.
As for being in the west, I am too. I want to be a part of establishing socialism and ending settler-colonialism. Anarchism isn't convincing to me as a former anarchist, I am a Marxist-Leninist. I think your idea of "trusting world leaders to sieze the world for us" is highly flawed, that's not the Marxist position. The Marxist position is that we critically support anti-imperialist countries, and support socialist countries.
Further, your analysis of intellectuals isn't really fleshed out in my opinion. Intellectuals are not a class, each class has its own intellectuals. The role of the political party is to organize the intellectuals of a given class and bring the political consciousness of the rest of the class up to the level of the intellectuals. This is by the people, for the people.
So what does a Marxist-Leninist do in the west? Is it possible to live life in accordance with whatever principles that represents without too many contradictions?
The task of western MLs is to organize the working classes, build up a political party, and agitate and educate among the rest of the working classes for a coherent and all-inclusive political line. Marxism is not a religion, there is no set of holy principles to uphold, it's a guide to action.
Is there an introductory text you would recommend to learn more? I've looked on websites for nearby political parties and it seems things are under construction!
Depends on your country! As an example org for the US, PSL does great work and has a good Liberation School. For general theory, I have a basic ML study guide you can check out.
Ukraine got couped by the US in 2014, the current government is a puppet installed specifically as a staging point for US procy warfare against Russia, they're completely justified in responding to a direct threat right on their border.
Downvoted for asking an open question. I'm sensing extremism is lurking... XD
Just because the US is fucking evil doesn't mean that their enemies are good.
The British, the US, and the USSR all fought the Nazis.
Ukraine is run by Banderites that openly celebrate Nazi collaborators, so the meme is pretty apt.
It means that their enemies are fighting fucking evil. Don't you want people to fight fucking evil? Or would you rather the people fighting fucking evil lose to the fucking evil?
Either way evil is winning, so I'd rather the evil that is attacking to lose. I would rather the evil that is currently pushing innocent people out of their country to not be doing that anymore.
I'd rather the staunch ally of Israel and the one oppressing minority ethnicities in the Donbass region not be doing that any longer. I also wish that it no longer plays a similar geopolitical role as Israel, as a forward outpost for western imperialism to force neighboring countries into bending the knee.
So then you want the US to lose? Or are you limiting all of your thinking to this one specific location and time? Because if you want the attacker to lose, then you want the US to lose. Since 1992, the US has attacked over 14 countries. Russia has attacked 3, all of them border conflicts. The US is the attacker, pushing people out of their countries all over the world.
And let's be very clear here. The Russians see this as a proxy war with the US. The US sees this as a proxy war with Russia. Both sides have said so. Ukraine doesn't deserve to be a US proxy, because US proxies get shredded in the name of advancing the interests of the US.
Why yes, I do consider the US to also be a great evil. I do hope they and Isreal lose in Iran and Lebanon.
Right, so, in the case of the proxy war between the West (helmed by the US) and Russia, it also makes sense that we want the US to lose in Ukraine. Not because in that case the US fired the first shot and crossed the border, but be sure the conflict is fundamentally predicated on US hegemony and the fight against it. Ukraine is only still at war because the West is pumping billions of support into it. And the West only does that to support its own interests. If Ukraine had lost after their 3rd complete military loss, instead of more and more tanks, planes, missiles, artillery, training, mercenaries, and logistics being pumped in to prolong the conflict, there would have been far more peace and far less destruction. Ukraine needs to lose for the US to lose.
Bullshit