You know, anyone can honor the ICC’s warrant. Any individual. Doesn’t have to be a state actor. A mob of good intentioned folks can scoop him up and fly him to them. And because the ICC issued it, it’s not illegal to do so.
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And because the ICC issued it, it’s not illegal to do so.
Not necessarily, the US has never recognized the ICC.
Citizens arrest is legal.
Rarely. And not for international organizations with no relevance in the usa. You didn't know what you are talking about .
Well, he did union bust the TSA, they might let him through
Great way to get killed by his security detail. Also since the US doesn't recognize the ICC you would get hit by kidnapping charges and probably other ones like terrorism and assault. Also how are you gonna fly him to The Hague against his will?
Isn't there a warrant for his arrest through the ICC? Does the U.S. not honor that?
The US doesn't recognize the authority of the ICC. They also have a law on the books that says they will invade and free American citizens held by the ICC.
Though to be honest other countries are not better. He visited Hungary not long ago and they technically should follow the ICC warrant. They just decided to not to enforce it.
The ICC is kind of a toothless organization anyways since it depends on countries to enforce it's warrants and if a country refuses to they can't really do anything.
USA does not recognize the ICC.
We should
USA is an imperial terrorist. They will never accept international justice.
It's a little more complicated than that. For one thing, the US Constitution guarantees a trial by jury, and the ICC does not have any Juries. And also, the US court system puts the highest authority under one Supreme Court, and if the US were to join the ICC it would have to figure out how to have the ICC's jurisdiction align with that.
It will require a Constitutional amendment to allow the ICC to function within our judicial system, and everyone knows that. Bill Clinton originally signed the treaty when he was President, but never submitted it to Congress because he understood the legal and constitutional hurdles it faced
I didn't claim it would be easy... maybe some sort of catch-and-extradite "hands off" policy.
I just feel like rubbing elbows with that guy is a dumb fucking idea for any US government officials.
But Trump is a dumb fuck (imho), so whatever.
the US Constitution guarantees a trial by jury
We can and should make people waive their jury rights when they sign up to be soldiers or federal employees or contractors or elected officials. Think of it like how you have to agree to arbitration with a company when installing their software or whatever, you don't sign the contract/take the oath of office/etc. if you don't want to answer to an ICC panel.
the US court system puts the highest authority under one Supreme Court
Article III of the Constitution is like two pages because everyone in the 18th century convention hall without air conditioning in the Washington DC summer was hot and tired by the time they got to it and it basically just says "Congress should make a court system of some sort." Congress could pass a law saying the Supreme Court is now the ICC and they get original jurisdiction over any international matters and we'd be fine.
Bill Clinton originally signed the treaty when he was President, but never submitted it to Congress because
He didn't want US service members to be held accountable for their war crimes because that would have cost him a lot of political capital and he never cared that about the lives of vulnerable people
You know how many genocides we could stop if a sink hole opened up under the white house and swallowed all of them?
I consider anyone who still supports Israel at this point to be in league with Trump. Yes, that includes Democratic politicians.
But the genocide was all good during the administration of genocide joe? It only became bad when Trump continued it?
It was never good, never acceptable, and something that I fervently criticized.
The distinction I am making here is that I now consider them to be in league with Trump. It's a talking point that I will use with Democratic supporters of Israel to try and get them to reconsider their position. Not that I expect much traction, but given how much of a "team sport" American politics is it seems like something to call them out for.
"What about?"
Funny how you are unable to cope with Trump doing it, but constantly need to bring up the person who isn't currently the president.
Continuing in the footsteps of genocide joe...