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[–] Bristlecone@lemmy.world 30 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I'm in the medical field, and the number of people who absolutely despise private insurance, but despise public Health systems even more, for no reason, is too damn high.

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They sound like my family. God forbid there be "socialized" healthcare that the "leeches" can benefit from, but also insurance sucks and doesn't pay for anything and whoops now we have medical debt.

They don't want their tax dollars to subsidize the care of anyone they think is less deserving than them, while they begrudgingly accept having to pay hundreds of dollars each month on an insurance plan that won't even cover the care they need.

And they want to see every change introduced by Obamacare undone, so, have fun going back to insurance plans that can deny you coverage just because you have a preexisting condition that they don't want to pay for.

[–] Alaknar@sopuli.xyz 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Fun fact! The US is spending more on healthcare than it does on its military. By A LOT. The military gets around 4% of the federal budget, healthcare gets around 12%.

The US taxpayer pays MORE on healthcare in taxes than the the taxpayers in Switzerland or Norway!

Where does that money go, you ask? Why, to the pockets of the corpos owning private healthcare, of course!

[–] zikzak025@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Yep. Republicans like my family are still so focused on the idea of "welfare queens" and illegal immigrants who are sucking up their hard-earned taxpayer dollars, while completely blind to the fact that they are spending thousands in taxes and insurance premiums enriching corporate middlemen who provide little to nothing in return. So who are the real leeches?

[–] rmuk@feddit.uk 2 points 2 days ago

"They have us fighting a culture war so we don't fight a class war."

[–] myrrh@ttrpg.network 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

...i always ask providers up-front what is my cost without using any insurance versus my out-of-pocket cost after insurance, and most of the time it's substantially cheaper not to use insurance at all even though it won't count toward my deductible...

...those private-industry middlemen are a huge burden on the healthcare system, and they persist only because their costs are hidden from patients...

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[–] gigastasio@sh.itjust.works 177 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Capitalist: No no, what you really hate is socialism.

Citizen: Why do I hate socialism?

Capitalist: Because socialism causes [lists problems created by capitalism].

Citizen: Wow, I sure do hate socialism.

[–] crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 105 points 3 days ago (9 children)

But also,

Citizen 2: [lists actual socialist policies while avoiding certain key words]

Capitalists: I can get behind that.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 57 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Let me fix that for you,

Citizen 1: I can get behind that.

Capitalists: You shouldn't, that's communism! Think of all the money you have to waste when you get rich!

[–] blargh513@sh.itjust.works 25 points 3 days ago (4 children)

And that's the core of it.

Every poor moron thinks that one day they will get rich and they don't want to ruin things for their future rich self. The don't actually DO anything to get rich, they don't have a plan, resources, much intelligence, they're not doing anything to improve their life, go to school, seek a better job, learn about finances. But one day, they'll be rich. They believe this until they get to about 50-60, their health issues start creeping up, then it starts to dawn on them that they're over the hill and have no real future beyond the current state of affairs--same life, but just older, sicker and weaker. THEN they sometimes wake up and see the bullshit, but it's too late.

Some of these people pick up a modest inheritance from their dead parents, but they usually piss it away in a few years, certainly aren't going to invest it, use it to build anything or have any expectation of creating generational wealth. They buy a big pickup truck and some assorted stupid shit, and it's wasted in a flash.

[–] jtrek@startrek.website 17 points 3 days ago

The other core is "I'd rather die of preventable diseases so long as black people suffer more"

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[–] wieson@feddit.org 19 points 3 days ago

Socialists are fans of socialism. Capitalists are persons who own capital, not fans of capitalism.

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[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I think this meme fundamentally misidentifies the problem. People keep attributing every societal issue to "capitalism," when many of the things they're describing have very little to do with capitalism itself.

To be clear, I have plenty of criticisms of capitalism as an economic philosophy. Left unchecked, it incentivizes wealth concentration, externalizes costs, and often places profit ahead of broader societal well-being. There are legitimate reasons to criticize capitalism, and I don't particularly admire many of its outcomes.

My issue is with the inconsistency in this meme. The behaviors it's describing, pathological greed, regulatory capture, monopolistic behavior, and the relentless pursuit of short-term shareholder profits, are better described as corporatocracy than capitalism itself. That's a system where large corporations wield enormous influence over government and markets, insulating themselves from competition and shaping policy to serve their own interests.

If you want to criticize corporatocracy, I'm right there with you. But treating every economic or social problem as though it's simply "capitalism" is an oversimplification. Distinctions matter, especially when you're trying to identify the actual root cause of a problem. If we're going to criticize a system, we should at least be criticizing the correct one.

[–] zarathustrad@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

We are seeing people call it different things now, but "late stage capitalism" is moving to a post-capitalism of debit/leverage, where they don't even own the means of production, they are renting it with borrowed money.

[–] Katana314@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Said it better than I could.

People are greedy; greedy for any resource they can control. Today it’s money. It could easily be something else.

“But they wouldn’t be allowed to!” They’re not allowed to do what they do now, but they force courts and opinions to work otherwise.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago
[–] Seimhe@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I would also argue that few people have made a very good case connecting peoples concerns to capitalism. So to many it has a Southpark-ish ring to it: capitalism is bad. Don’t do capitalism. It’s an abstract thing, and abstract opponents make people feel despair and impotence.

The most persuasive people I’ve seen don’t use that word often. They directly link peoples concerns to inequality (unfair taxation and employment laws), climate ( fossil fuel companies) and unregulated abusive businesses such as big tech.

Those are not faceless, abstract entities, so people can organise their (justified) anger better.

Has anybody else heard good approaches for helping people understand ?

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

The most persuasive people I’ve seen don’t use that word often. They directly link peoples concerns to inequality (unfair taxation and employment laws), climate ( fossil fuel companies) and unregulated abusive businesses such as big tech.

This is the way. Lefty movements have rightly been criticized for being too academic. Expressing people's concerns in a more relatable and practical way gets more people on board.

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[–] CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If you’re willing to go “you’re absolutely right! What a good point!” every time the person you’re talking to aligns with you even a little bit like “you’re absolutely right, you work so hard it’s completely unfair you’re taxes are so high… and the taxes of the wealthy are so low in comparison!” they feel smart and validated and might not even notice you tacked on your own commentary and also avoid buzz words it’s actually not that difficult to talk to people in an effective way.

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[–] jtrek@startrek.website 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I've found "You work all day and get a small salary. The business owner sits around, and gets a huge payout. Does that seem fair?" is moderately effective.

[–] TotallyWorthLife@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You often get "they risk their money!" (so is gambling now something financially good?) or "they worked very hard to get there" (so why aren't they as burned out as the rest of the "less hard working" workers?)

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[–] OpenPassageways@programming.dev 20 points 2 days ago

It's even worse than that, they think the root cause is immigrants, minorities, and trans people.

[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 30 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Something most people miss is that the speed of change is a barrier.

You can do socialism fast or slow, the fast way is like a revolution, which most people don’t want since it sucks for the individual.

The slow way, which imo is the better way, is just doing policies that get you closer and closer to socialism within the capitalist framework.

The second way often means helping people who are less fortunate than the average person first, before getting to your average voter. That’s what individualistic societies can’t get past, they want their lives improved now. They fear they will vote for things that benefits poorer people and then the next government would come in before it’s their turn.

IMO the solution to this is obvious, focus on policies that literally benefit everyone. Don’t do select benefit programs, do problems that help everyone. UBI is a perfect example.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The thing about the slow way is that it's too readily reversible, and since the existing order allows the wealthy who would lose under such policies to consolidate power quite easily, those changes can be undone much more easily than they can be made.

[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Well the thing about the fast way is that it's easily co-optable and you can end up with things really sucking for everyone just to end up in a worse position if you're not careful.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah, so it can possibly go wrong, instead of being guaranteed to go wrong.

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[–] nialv7@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

policies cannot always benefit everyone. e.g. wealth tax won't benefit the wealthy, consumer protection won't benefit the corporates

[–] Johanno@feddit.org 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Everyone except the wealthy.

Well public transport even helps the wealthy. It clears the roads for their cars

[–] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

And moving to renewable energy sources will inevitably bring down costs and make it so if a tornado/hurricane/earthquake takes some power lines down a giant chunk of houses won't all lose power, many of those houses will be able to keep refrigerators and necessities up until backup power from the grid gets restored.

Half the oceans ships are moving fossil fuels from place to place, so you can cut that tenfold... Making cleaner healthier ecosystems in both cities/towns and for the earth in general.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 38 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Everyone likes socialism, as long as it isn't called socialism. Two sides of the same coin. We've been duped.

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[–] yucandu@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The thing is most countries don't go around declaring themselves "we are a capitalist nation, we follow the capitalist ideology", so this seems pointlessly vague.

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[–] SalamiDommie@lemmus.org 10 points 3 days ago

Weak twitter-bait.

People don't like any system, they don't like obvious corruption and being taken advantage of.

But the world is very comfortable right now. Wouldn't want to muck that up.

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