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[โ€“] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 36 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Anybody who offers asylum to transgender Americans will find their computer security capabilities increasing drastically.

The article does a poor job explaining why people smart enough to want to leave Trump's America world contribute to a "brain drain".

The dumb Americans are currently more proud and happy than they've ever been, and they will not be attempting to migrate to Europe.

[โ€“] Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 18 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Financial experts are seeing a spike in affluent working Americans looking to resettle in Europe.
Arielle Tucker is the founder of Connected Financial Planning, a company that helps Americans relocate to Europe.
Tucker received more than 30 new American clients in the week after Trumpโ€™s reelection, a level of interest thatโ€™s been sustained throughout the last few months.
Many of Tuckerโ€™s clients are in their mid-30s or early 40s and work in executive roles in tech, pharmaceuticals or finance.

Yet again, the average working-class person is left behind to suffer the worst effects of the policies that these people largely voted for and now cowardly run from.

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 1 points 3 hours ago

I don't think all or even most of the affluent 30-40 year olds with executive roles in tech, pharmaceuticals or finance voted for Trump. The ones that did vote Trump are quite likely still fond of him.

[โ€“] 01011@monero.town 4 points 8 hours ago

Europe barely has sufficient capacity to engage its own educated labor, you think importing America's surplus is a good idea?

[โ€“] deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 3 points 7 hours ago

The driving motivation to leave the US seems to be that (these individuals) they're getting older and astronomical healthcare costs in the US are going to be protected by the system and elite.

There may be lower tax rates in the US per se but the US healthcare scam is an off-the-books tax, that isn't coming down.

[โ€“] ProfHillbilly@lemmy.world 15 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

I hope everybody that can leave will leave. Sadly, I am stuck here because my dumb ass just retired and even if I was not retired I doubt any country in Europe would want a dude with a Masters in English and MFA in creative writing. I guess I will just sit up here in WNC and watch it all burn. At least I have everything paid for. Good luck, everyone, as the markets open to a dumpster fire today.

[โ€“] lord_ryvan@ttrpg.network 2 points 1 hour ago

You're retired?

Better do that thing where old people retire in Europe what I keep hearing so often about!

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 13 points 12 hours ago

If you're done with seeing everything burn you could consider moving to a place in the US where less stuff is on fire. Also, the flames might inspire you to do some real good writing, who knows.

sometimes all you can do is hang in there

[โ€“] p_kanarinac@retrolemmy.com 8 points 12 hours ago

Masters in English is great in countries that don't speak it as their first language. Most people with it got a job right after graduating, some even earlier.

[โ€“] f314@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I doubt any country in Europe would want a dude with a Masters in English and MFA in creative writing

Donโ€™t be too sure! Weโ€™ll need to build a lot of digital services if we want to end our reliance on US big tech, and digital services need a lot of copywritingโ€ฆ

[โ€“] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If you can read/write English natively, you can be useful in catching awkward turns of phrase that a French/German/Dutch/etc. speaker fluent in English might still miss.

[โ€“] taladar@sh.itjust.works 4 points 6 hours ago

Unlikely to get you a job. Most countries either have a lot of people fluent in English who are better than native speakers or will expect you to know their local language to work there.

[โ€“] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 12 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

Any discussion of brain drain has the assumption baked in that only affluent people will be able to get in. "You're not educated? Back to burgerland with you!"

[โ€“] Lembot_0001@lemm.ee 8 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Can uneducated US citizens get an EU work permission?

[โ€“] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 3 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I don't know. Couldn't you technically fly to the EU on a tourist visa and claim asylum? If the EU has travel advisory for trans people, it seems like it should be a thing, but I am probably way too hopeful there.

[โ€“] Lembot_0001@lemm.ee 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Asylum? Not a lawyer either but I suppose that travelers should prove(!) that staying in the US is dangerous personally(!) to them. You can't get asylum just because you don't like the government. At least I think that is how it works :)

[โ€“] NuraShiny@hexbear.net 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I think pointing at the anti-trans sentiment and legislation that is being pushed should be enough, but I am a lefty, so I have no power.

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 2 points 2 hours ago

I heard a piece on the Dutch news of gay Americans and parents of trans kids already applied for asylum. Will take a while before we'll hear if they're actually granted asylum but there are already people trying. They are personally affected though, and felt unsafe enough to leave their country behind so I'm not sure this is valuable information for someone who just dislikes their government.

Also in my life I've met a bunch of people who moved here, they didn't come across as all being from a single economic class but didn't check their payslips.

[โ€“] Lembot_0001@lemm.ee 4 points 12 hours ago

Doubt that "sentiments" are enough. I would expect the need of proved fact of being prosecuted in the process. Or something like that.

[โ€“] Flyberius@hexbear.net 5 points 12 hours ago

Probably not. Let's not pretend that European leaders aren't fantasizing about doing some of the stuff trump is doing. They only care about trans people in this context because it allows them to point at the US and say, aren't you glad you aren't over there, now give us all your money so we can buy missiles and tanks

[โ€“] oce@jlai.lu 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

If you manage to convince a company to hire you and help with the visa I think it's possible.

[โ€“] Lembot_0001@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Why would anyone want to hire an uneducated American? I am sure Europe has enough uneducated locals... Of course that might be the chance but too rare chance to be important on a big scale.

[โ€“] oce@jlai.lu 3 points 11 hours ago

Uneducated doesn't mean unskilled or inexperienced. If they can convince some company I guess they have some skill and that could be enough for a visa.

[โ€“] huppakee@lemm.ee 2 points 12 hours ago

It is also very different with a brain drain in developing countries. But I do think it's fair to say there is a lot of people who cannot afford to move, and in that way this is more like a wealth drain.

[โ€“] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 6 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

As long as one of the entry requirements is proof of an average IQ-level and the presence of critical thinking skills, sure

[โ€“] magic_lobster_party@fedia.io 13 points 10 hours ago

As long they have a university degree they should probably be fine. The red MAGA hats have a tendency to hate education.

[โ€“] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Iโ€™m not sure if they would get that many. Itโ€™s definitely tempting and could be more realistic if it continues to get worse in the US, but isnโ€™t the EU hurting more from all this than the US is?

[โ€“] WanderingThoughts 4 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The American economy is like a classic Ford Mustang. It goes really hard on the straights, but if you run into something you crash hard.

The European economy is like a Volvo. It's not really fast, not that maneuverable, but full of seatbelts, airbags and crumple zones so if you hit something you probably walk away.

Paraphrased from Mark Blyth.

[โ€“] longjohnjohnson@lemmy.ml 1 points 8 hours ago

Correct, the fallout from the US is creating the uncertainty with the EU market.

The difference is the EU market will recover, over time. The US market will not.

[โ€“] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 4 points 12 hours ago

Yeah what we need is more racist libs, we dont have enough.

[โ€“] Flax_vert@feddit.uk -3 points 7 hours ago

I do NOT want to be overrun by degenerate yanks, thank you very much