A lot communities have "Posts older than 365 days will be removed." in their description, but what does this mean exactly? It never says.

  • The database of posts only goes as far as 1 year, everything older gets wiped? I hope and assume that's not it.
  • Posts with links to articles older than a year get removed?
  • If a thread is over a year old, no new comments will be added?

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[–] 39 points 1 month ago* (11 children)

Are you sure this isn't a piefed thing?

Either way it's an incredibly bad idea, lots of old posts being indexed by search engines will help Lemmy grow. The one thing Reddit has is over a decade of archived posts that answer even the stupidest question.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 1 month ago* (6 children)

    PieFed dev Rimu answered at https://piefed.social/comment/12376368:

    The posts in that community will be deleted after that many days. For remote communities this only affects the local copy of each post and the post will still exist on the source instance and other instances (unless they too delete their copies). For local communities the deletion federates so the post is removed everywhere.

    PieFed is intended to run for decades and storage costs money so admins can set how long they want to retain content for, on a per-community basis. It’s up to them to decide what is worth keeping forever and what should be trimmed.

    AFAIK piefed.social has ‘forever’ for the retention of all local communities and only trims remote communities. In some communities piefed.social only keeps posts for very short periods, like 28 days, because it’s the kind of content people look at once and has no lasting value beyond that.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago* (5 children)

    In some communities piefed.social only keeps posts for very short periods, like 28 days, because it’s the kind of content people look at once and has no lasting value beyond that.

    IMO that's not for admins or mods to decide. That's for users and (eventually) historians et al. to decide, and it's only knowable in retrospect, if ever.

    Hell, most of archaeology is digging through literal trash.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 month ago (3 children)

    Nope, the one who pays the bills decides. If you disagree that's fine. You are free to host your own instance, where the users can decide how much space they want to take up for saving old pictures.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    You are free to host your own instance, where the users can decide how much space they want to take up for saving old pictures.

    my own instance, to where deletions will propagate as said by rimu. unless I patch out deletions wholesale, which people won't like if it turns out I'm doing it.

    the threadiverse really needs an undelete service. at least for the text, which should compress very well

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

    The one thing Reddit has is over a decade of archived posts that answer even the stupidest question.

    Exactly, which is what I want to see with the Fediverse. Could be a PieFed thing yes.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago

    No, PieFed posts have a 'canonical' meta tag which sends search engines to the original post. The local copy of a remote post is never indexed by Google anyway.

    https://ahrefs.com/blog/canonical-tags/

    Deletion of unnecessary data is a cost-saving measure which makes it much less likely that piefed.social will need to shut down forever. Lots of fedi software doesn't do this and it has bad outcomes. Check this out:

    mastodon.cloud has 1,300 active users:

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    Their running costs are $800 per month and now they're shutting down.

    I don't know all the reasons why they're closing down but clearly that is an insane amount of money for a service supporting that many users.

    PieFed.social has 1600 users and costs whatever the electricity for a 10 year old computer is. $5 per month? On a Hetzner VPS it was about $50 per month.

    This isn't big tech where more data means more share price or more AI training data or deeper ad-targeting user profiles. This is smol tech where more data means more problems. If we want to preserve any content we need to delete some content.

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  • [–] 8 points 1 month ago

    It means once a post is 366 days old it gets deleted.

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (4 children)

    Awww man...I mean its kind of a good idea, but on reddit I've had people reply to 10 year old posts.

    Its a weirdly nice feeling.

    But I do think we're in a data hoarding mentality and wish to preserve everything. I think it is important to let things go.

    Edit: Though on the flipside, I do appreciate especially on technical posts, to go back and look up people's answers/solutions to questions I have.

    Even if the answer is no longer valid, perhaps the person who provided the answer can offer an alternate solution.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 1 month ago

    But I do think we’re in a data hoarding mentality and wish to preserve everything. I think it is important to let things go.

    In general I'd agree, but I'd like to see a Web where search engines show more answers on the Fediverse/Lemmy instead of Reddit. If the default is removal after 365 days, this won't happen.

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  • [–] 2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    reddit posts were read-only if they were older than a few months until pretty recently

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago

    My best guess is that the humans want to hide useful information to be more like "AI", therefore honouring their future overlords. /s

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  • [–] 6 points 1 month ago (1 child)

    It's the first option on your list.

    Not everything is worth keeping.

    Admins can configure this on a per community basis.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago

    You'd need to ask the specific mods for each group or instance where you found this notice since there's to my knowledge no such thing that's implemented across the fediverse.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 month ago*

    Without a specific example, everyone else is left guessing, same as you, but I'd read that as the first option. If it's a lot of communities, I'd guess it might be the policy of the server they are hosted on.

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  • [–] 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

    Lol wat. Deleting old posts is bad manners in my opinion, and the db cost is negligible.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 month ago

    Yeah thats it. For a second I thought, "sure they can save money by not storing old data", but than I realised that it's like two dollar per year per gb. I'm sure we generate a lot of posts, but a single gb goes a long way if you consider that most images are hosted externally.

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