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Humans tend to put our own intelligence on a pedestal. Our brains can do math, employ logic, explore abstractions and think critically. But we can’t claim a monopoly on thought. Among a variety of nonhuman species known to display intelligent behavior, birds have been shown time and again to have advanced cognitive abilities. Ravens plan for the future, crows count and use tools, cockatoos open and pillage booby-trapped garbage cans, and chickadees keep track of tens of thousands of seeds cached across a landscape. Notably, birds achieve such feats with brains that look completely different from ours: They’re smaller and lack the highly organized structures that scientists associate with mammalian intelligence.

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[–] ABC123itsEASY@lemmy.world 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Yes, this is cool, but imagine if you will the octopus, evolving intelligence from inside phylum mollusca, whose common ancestor with us (and all chordates) is an ancient worm.

Their brains might as well be alien compared to chordate intelligence.

[–] Skua@kbin.earth 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's super interesting that they're not social animals either. So much of our brainpower goes towards complex social bonds and effective cooperation, whereas octopuses generally just do not care about that stuff

[–] Manticore@lemmy.nz 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But that's also what holds them back, because without socialization, they can't accrue and pass on knowledge through communities or down generations. They're incredibly intelligent, perhaps rivaling our own; but they're perpetually stuck in the Neolithic Era, because each has to learn tool use from scratch.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 6 points 1 week ago

Plus they live very short lives, giving less opportunity for the accumulation of a lot of knowledge.

Their reproduction strategy and life cycles also basically don't allow for generational interaction: most octopuses reproduce only once, produce tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of offspring, and die shortly after reproduction. Then the young paralarvae drift as plankton until they grow large enough to settle wherever on the sea floor they happen to be.

[–] PurpleTentacle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

To be fair, neither do most Lemmyngs.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 week ago

Yes, it's at least 3 times, that intelligence evolved.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The premise of most of these type of arguments is that intelligence is something we can measure. Meanwhile, nobody knows what's going on inside their own brains, never mind other species.

Until very recently we just assumed that animals don't have a complex inner life because it doesn't superficially resemblance our own. It's also convenient to make that assumption if you're going to industrially farm those animals or destroy their habitats, etc.

[–] dbtng@eviltoast.org 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Our domestic animals are some of the most intelligent creatures on this planet. Pigs? Smarter than a second-grader. Cows? Cows understand what's going on, they are not dumb lumps of meat. (But chickens ... chickens really are stupid.) They also all taste good. I try to finish my meal out of respect for the creature that died for it.

[–] BilboBargains@lemmy.world 2 points 6 days ago

Amen brother