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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 6 points 3 days ago

Many of the best things in America are Socialist: Public schools, libraries, museums, fire departments, municipal parks/playground, state parks, national parks, highways, bridges, monuments, etc.

Many people are far more afraid of the WORD Socialist, than actual Socialist concepts. Socialism and Communism have become far too closely associated, to the point of being synonyms, and the Dems have to change that perception.

That's just one key part of their messaging game that they have take control of. The Conservative Propaganda Machine does a great job of not only controlling their own messaging, but the Dems have always allowed them to define Democratic concepts as well. It's long past time when the Dems flip the tables, and take control of their own messaging, and start defining MAGA as treasonous, corrupt, racist, and pedophilic, and depraved.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 94 points 5 days ago (14 children)

No. Support is ~30%. Last time I checked, that's not a majority.

~47% (almost half) view them unfavorably. Another ~23% are unsure.

[–] Blibly@lemmy.world 65 points 5 days ago (7 children)

23-30% of people are perpetually unsure of everything lol

[–] lemmelemmy@feddit.org 18 points 5 days ago (2 children)

Those are people who don't wanna answer. Tbh if some rando was asking which political view I had, I would also not share it.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If I was approached in the NYC street by someone asking me how I felt about politics, I would not take the risk that they have my name and face already and want to put me in a oligarch's database.

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[–] AmyAye@nord.pub 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Especially when you get asked in a way that makes it clear that they have an agenda.

Like to ask say, "Do you support what the Mayor is doing with raising taxes on rich residents" they might ask "Would you be ok with having your taxes raised?"

Then report it in a reframed way later.

Polls are bull shit no matter what they say.

Hell in the first term I got a Trump poll and "How do you think the president is doing" disn't even have negatice options, just degrees of Good, Great, Excelent etc.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 14 points 5 days ago

Maybe. I don't know about that.

;-)

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[–] VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 11 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (17 children)

Still garbage, to compare "view them unfavorably" then you have to do "view them favorably" and not "Support" if you want to compare "Support" then you have to do "Against" with clear questions.

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[–] Zink@programming.dev 18 points 4 days ago (1 children)

They love to use that specific picture of him too. They probably think it makes him look angry and middle eastern. It caught his eyebrows at the perfect angry-looking angle.

Too bad for them he's charismatic as fuck everywhere else. And, you know, does stuff to help people.

[–] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 6 points 4 days ago

I am feeling pissed, and Mamdani is matching my feelings here.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 13 points 4 days ago

Currently socialism to these guys = Not having a corrupt government ran by special interest.

This is what they are afraid of. Not socialism coming to town but a government that actually works. The corrupt media is pushing bullshit to benefit the wealthy class so the people don't come for their golden goose.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 32 points 4 days ago (1 children)

That's propaganda for you.

And most of that minority are going to end up liking the results of his actions as time goes on.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 1 points 3 days ago

The propaganda is coming from the reader that failed to read beyond the headline and spread misinformation.

[–] Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Hey boss, this poll says 60% of people support democratic socialists. How are we gonna reword this?

Boss: just flip the stat and make the sentence negative

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[–] AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 13 points 4 days ago (2 children)

They recognize the wave of wave of ~~democratic socialism~~ social democrats and fight it tooth and nail.

We do not have a free press.

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 3 points 3 days ago

I remember cnn the "commie news network" giving insanely hard interviews to Kamala, and then they have Mike Johnson on and say "some people have concerns over you saying the election was stolen" and he says "well there was substantial evidence for it and (conspiracy #1 2 and 3)." "interesting, people have been complaining about..."

0 push back, because they fell for the lie that the media is too hard on the right, so even bringing up that he thinks the election is stolen is being harsh somehow.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 1 points 3 days ago

Why did you replace democratic socialism for social democrats?

Those are different things, and this is specifically about the DSA...

[–] melsaskca@lemmy.ca 13 points 4 days ago

Yoo hoo. Billionaires. We're coming for you...

[–] subgenius@lemmy.zip 3 points 3 days ago

Democratic Socialism is where citizens of democracies pay taxes to support their fire departments, military, health care systems etc. They still believe in free markets and your life improving if you work hard/go to school etc. It’s only corrupt politicians and the ignorant that equate social programs with Communism. Americans have been gaslighted by the financial elite to view social programs as a hand out, because the elite receive no profit from them.

[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 4 days ago (9 children)

The DSA is a big tent within a big tent. The Democratic Party is essentially the opposition party to MAGA. If you're against Trump then the Democratic Party is the only option you have.

That said, some of its platform ideas like universal healthcare and restoring consumer protections (so we control for things like crypto scams and surveillance pricing) are pretty popular. Abortion access enjoys a popularity of about 60%.

I don't know the number of people who want a higher minimum wage, but it's above majority, especially since the affordability crisis, and doubly so now that SNAP and Medicaid have been slashed.

Republican scaremongers call anything they don't like communism or jihad because they only deal in blood libel and buzzwords. See They're eating the dogs.

Also, evidently, bike lanes are woke and DEI.

Centrist Democrat scaremongers like to bring up the more left-leaning (actually left-leaning) platform issues like abolish the prisons and abolish the police.

These are serious issues, but even the DSA doesn't pretend it will be easy to sell that to the general public. Before ICE we knew that police have become a nationwide problem, and the presence of law enforcement is more likely to turn a non-violent situation violent than it is de-escalate it. The John Oliver segment on Killology sheds light on the issue. Right now, that's just been buried by the actions of ICE.

And we know that state and federal prisons have been squalid and inhumane for a long time, not improved at all since the rise of the prison industrial complex during the Reagan administration. Private prisons are even worse, and we're now seeing the extreme version of that in immigrant detention centers by GEO Group and Core Civic.

But again, these are extreme issues and the Republicans are more likely to end birthright citizenship and women's suffrage sooner than DSAs are going to make inroads in abolishing prisons and law enforcement.

[–] Triasha@lemmy.world 12 points 4 days ago

Our society needs radical solutions to serious problems. I would focus on things like wealth taxes, Healthcare, and climate action, but I'm willing to risk breaking a few eggs to elect someone that wants to make an omlette.

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[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 6 points 4 days ago

I remember when the media was castigating the 10% or whatever of Bernie voters who said that they would vote for Trump if Bernie didn't get nominated.

The framing was "There at X number of Bernie bros who are disloyal and will punish the Democrats by voting Trump" instead of "Bernie would take X number of voters from Trump". Same story, but completely different spin.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Btw most of that "unsupporters" are just indifferent, not even against.

[–] architect@thelemmy.club 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

We should all be going To our City meetings Pointing at New York and saying there is the proof you can get things done if you want to. Get things done or you’re gone.

[–] atro_city@fedia.io 18 points 5 days ago

!twnw@fedia.io

Tax these ultra-wealthy fuck so that they have to sell their bought up loudspeakers and give them back to the people.

[–] Smaile@lemmy.ca 4 points 3 days ago

ignoring it will not work, it will only make the tide rise against them while their heads are in the sand.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 points 4 days ago

mostly boomers, and older people answer polls anyways. they likely ask for political affiliation as a gauge.

[–] gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Devils advocate: their wording is shit, but the quote retweet is also wrong

These polls are usually

Do you support thing?

  • Yes
  • No
  • Don't Know/Don't Care

So it's also not necessarily majority support, there could be a sizeable amount of option C

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

To be fair, news media have been dicks before. In the cold war, we were so afraid of USSR that it was difficult to find news critical of the US and its government policies. We have the longstanding existence of an ideological enemy to blame for the push of our Overton window to the right. (Also a propaganda effort by the owner class to do that.)

I was taught about news literacy in the late 1980s in college Logic and Critical Thinking. It became useful in the aughts, when George W. Bush was trying to push going into Iraq after we were sore about the 9/11 attacks, and then later when they wanted to suppress the torture and PMCs and war crimes.

At the time we relied on foreign media, and turned to multiple sources to get the facts straight. In the Trump era, there's a lot of independent media, sometimes getting raided by FBI or ICE.

When a news source injects a bit of spin in its stories, that's the management of the news agency telling you who they are.

ETA: Musk buying up Twitter and Bezos directly intervening in the management of WaPo should serve as warnings that the owner class is actively trying to suppress free and fair journalism. We also used to have a lot more investigative stories than we do now.

Share links to stories that tell the truth.

[–] Steve@communick.news 11 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Siena University poll showed that 30% of New York voters like the DSA and 47% don’t have a favorable view of them.

Meanwhile, 23% are unsure about how they feel about the movement.

Not quite the numbers the person thought

[–] VeryInterestingTable@jlai.lu 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Let's compare "Support" to "somewhat unfavorable" + "unfavorable" + "Clearly Unfavorable" + "Against". Statistic brought to you by yet another billionaire lol.

[–] null@piefed.nullspace.lol 1 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Did you even look at the breakdown? Your comment makes no sense...

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 15 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They show a pic of Mamdani and then report on statewide feelings. At a glance, one would think that those in NYC aren't supportive. Which was the idea they're pushing.

[–] schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You'd think there´d be a deep interest in EXPOSING all the horribly unpopular policies the DSA is proposing... yet, tragically, the article does not even mention a single one. Sad.

Edit: Most political parties will poll lower than their policies because people are tribal and don´t want to support the "other" team. So you take a poll on a THIRD party and what you have is a statistic that tells you nothing you don´t already know, but is a little propaganda point.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 days ago

Where is the poll? I can't find it

[–] betanumerus@lemmy.ca 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Richer people want things to stay as they are. Poorer people want things to change.

It's the same everywhere all the time: democracies, dictatorships, communism, fascism, monarchies, etc.

[–] TwinTitans@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (4 children)

These companies will become less relevant as time goes on because people see the game.

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