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I do not understand the mathematics behind the dilemma. I'm assuming only the firts chicks cost money, because down the line they will breed.
But feeding them, housing them - vitamins and doctoring costs a lot of money.

So anyone with couple or more chickens - how much does it cost to have them on the table? And realistically how many eggs do you get?

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[–] im_fine_sandy@nord.pub 2 points 6 minutes ago

Backyard chicken wranglers hatch lots of males they don't want.

Post in fb chicken groups saying you'll have them.

Go to chicken auctions and buy 6 for $1.

[–] ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 7 minutes ago

I have a small flock and it really depends how much you can DIY, but I’ve spent several hundred on their yard setup and equipment (food and water buckets, water heater for winter, etc.) and thats very cheap materials. This is because I live in town and part of the license stipulates they are in a fully enclosed area, not able to roam. I also built their overnight run out of 1/2 in galvanized mesh, to keep them safe from night predators, and that was expensive to do.

If you live out in the country you wont have that problem with the required fencing, but you will have predators, and if you don't properly account for those you wont have any birds to harvest.

Chickens take several months to reach full meat bird size. The feed is like $20/50lbs and 6 go through 1-2 bags per month. I heavily supplement their food with kitchen scraps from all the people I give eggs to, so we all waste less and they have incredibly healthy eggs, which reduces their feed consumption substantially, but that feed cost is always there.

My chickens are not meat birds, mostly because I’m not allowed to have a rooster so i cant’t get hatching eggs for free, it's not really worth repeatedly buying eggs for that purpose. I get 4-6 eggs per day every day from my 6 hens, and that is a LOT of eggs. I average a dozen every 2 days or 15 dozen per month. I supply five households with that, with occasional extra to a few others. If you plan to raise birds for eggs, make sure you have people lined up to take them before you get the birds. Tons of people have backyard flocks these days so its much easier to get eggs from random people.

If you want an economical option, i suggest raising quail. They are ready for culling at 6 weeks and while you get a lot less meat from each bird, they are much faster and cheaper to get to grown, if you get good at incubating the eggs, and keep your own breeding covey. They are also incredibly easy to slaughter and clean, mechanically speaking. Tools include very sharp scissors and a bucket and that’s all. They also only need 3sqft/bird to be happy (you’ll see 1 sqft thrown around but that's industrial and their standards are trash, even 3 is a bit low, but they don't seem to mind, because it means a 10-bird covey gets 30sqft of floor space), unlike chickens which need a lot more.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 12 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

You don’t start a chicken farm with Tractor Supply chicks is the answer. Even if you did it that way, you’re not really losing out much in the grand scheme of things.

Tractor Supply chicks are sold as glorified pets.

Fun fact: it costs next to nothing to ship chicks through the USPS because of heavy subsidies for the industry. You literally just buy a crate from a wholesaler to start a broiler farm.

[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They are just soo cute!
In my mind I would not have more than a dozen birds.
And I am really thinking about the old ways of keeping chickens, when every house had their dump (basically a compost pile) and the chickens did half of the work with it.
How did it actually work, what went into the trash - what did chickens get out of it (bugs, worms) - did they had to manually turn the dump, or did they just let it rot the used in the spring...
Haven't done any research on it - it is more of a thought experiment.

[–] Horsey@lemmy.world 4 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

My parents had 12 chickens for a few years! They’re not bad pets, nor bad starter farm animals!

Compost piles need to be churned constantly or else you’ll just have an oxidized layer on top that makes the further inwards material petrify rather than decompose. If you have hard winters, the pile will eventually freeze, so it’s super important to have it covered, and still churn it in winter so the microbes raise the temp as much as possible. Also, if it’s too dry where you are, microbes won’t break anything down.

[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 hours ago

I was thinking about them in the historical setting. They just piled up kitchen scraps and other organic waste (there was basically very little non organic waste back then) and they just let it pile up. Chickens were a huge part of managing it, it became basically zero waste circle.
I'm not going to jump into farming anytime soon - I have enough problems just trying to keep some sorrel saplings alive. I haven't managed it yet. But thankfully I still have some seed left...

[–] Hellgruen@lemmy.zip 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Prices don’t only reflect the cost of production/raising an animal. But also how much the customers are willing to pay, also supply and demand. Especially stuff that has very little sale numbers are waaay more expensive than production because otherwise a business would not be profitable.

[–] Melobol@lemmy.ml 1 points 4 hours ago

That is clearly true. But again I had no idea of how much they actually cost to produce - that's why I was looking for people with actual experience growing them.
But now I have a way clearer answer, and learnt a lot of fascinating information on the way.

[–] Polisheocket@lemmy.zip 14 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Chicks at the hardware store are for the eggs

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[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 9 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Broilers (chickens for meat) are usually males that just hit maturity. Before they go insane on hormones and fight other males, they become food. That takes around 6-8 weeks. So, at scale like supermarkets, not a ton of food goes into them. Likely more money goes into dressing (slaughter), packaging, and shipping.

Layers (les femmes chickitas) turn out eggs until they don't anymore, and then get turned into dog food or nuggets, or soup. They're turning corn into eggs. My parents have layers and get a 20lb bag of food once a month and get 2-4 eggs a day, depending on the weather.

[–] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Not even just corn. Also all the ticks, ants, and other pest insects in the yard, and possibly even some of your food waste. They literally turn trash and straight up pests into food.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

Eggs taste better when they do, but it depends on local predators, too.

[–] PenguinInLaw@sh.itjust.works 3 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Not entirely true anymore - both male and female chicks are raised for meat, just different breeds than for commercial egg production. The large poultry company I used to work with raised exclusively female chicks, since they grew faster. The male chicks went into the grinder, as the other poster suggested.

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 1 points 3 hours ago

Well, I'm sort of splitting the large-scale industrial method and homestead method. It depends by breed also, but I've raised ducks in the past, and while the schedule was different, the results of who ended up dinner were about the same. Males got 90 days to live their best lives, girls 50/50 depending on how many layers we had.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

(les femmes chickitas)

Ah donc nosotros ahora estamos en mélangeant los idiomas simplemente comme ça?

[–] hansolo@lemmy.today 2 points 3 hours ago

Ah, je pense parlez Francais como puedo! Lo siento que oublie les correctement las/les.

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[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 24 points 8 hours ago (6 children)

Before doing this, you may want to checkout the Farming while Beige youtube channel (blackbirdcoop).

In some of his videos he provides a very honest description of the work involved.

[–] dharmacurious@slrpnk.net 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

What is it now?

Fucking love that guy.

[–] YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 6 points 7 hours ago

"you just going to throw all that into the dirty ass oil, aren't you?"

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

DOUBLE-U DOUBLE-U DOUBLE-U DOT

Looney Tunes theme song plays at full volume

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[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 9 points 7 hours ago (6 children)

I was excited for the rotisserie function of my new oven until I got to the supermarket and discovered that an uncooked whole chicken costs more than a store-rotisseried whole chicken.

[–] ilinamorato@lemmy.world 2 points 3 hours ago

My understanding is that Costco uses their rotisserie chickens as a loss leader. They make it as cheap as they feasibly can, and then they recycle the meat from the unsold ones into as many different prepared products as possible. Probably other stores are just matching their pricing structure.

[–] quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

The rotisserie near my house buy their chickens for about 2 euros or less per chicken, but they're buying 200 chickens at a time, and probably directly from the nearest slaughterhouse.

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[–] the_abecedarian@piefed.social 89 points 12 hours ago (15 children)

bulk raising chickens in the millions is a totally different cost per animal ( is bulk slaughter and roasting them), than what you pay at a supply store

[–] Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world 11 points 8 hours ago

Also, places like Costco that sell $5 rotisserie chickens take a loss on them. They’re called loss leaders.

They get you in the door, and you end up spending more money on other things.

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[–] damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 14 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Ask them for a bulk purchase of 100 baby chicks and they’ll reduce the price to maybe $4. Bulk at 10,000 will probably get you to $3. Order several million per year and you’ll get $1 or even lower. Maybe even few cents per chick.

So your rotisserie at $5 still includes a modest to large profit, even including cooking, materials, shipping and handling.

[–] Dran_Arcana@lemmy.world 15 points 8 hours ago

I have no knowledge about the economics of live poultry, but rotisseries are generally loss leaders at grocery stores. They're so commonly loss leaders that they're often cited as one of the primary examples to explain the concept of a loss leader.

https://thehustle.co/the-economics-of-costco-rotisserie-chicken

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader

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[–] gilokee@lemmy.world 8 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I have two chickens and I get approximately two eggs a day. Their food is like, I dunno, $20 a month? Probably not saving money on eggs but they're my pets so that's why I have them. (not eating them, obviously. Or any chickens for that matter.)

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