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[–] 155 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

We've been predicting the demise of the coding career since the dawn of the coding career, but even if it's not dying, being proficient in coding and becoming proficient in one other trade is a good way to find opportunities to make software that makes that trade easier. The bar for quality in trade-specific software is shockingly low and money can be made in those niches.

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  • [–] 85 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    This is basically me.

    I was in restaurant management in the late '90s, and knew it well, but loved computers and had been teaching myself programming for a while.

    My last restaurant job was for a small franchisee, and I moved into IT and support for them after a couple of years (while also doing catering, covering vacations for managers, doing graphics on vehicles and banners, pretty much whatever needed to be done).

    In 2001 I went to work for the company that sold us our POS Systems. Originally I did installation, training, and support, but started coding pretty quickly, and after a few years became lead.

    I now own all of that software / IP, and my own company.

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  • I've spent my entire career as a professor advocating that students should pick a minor, certificate, or double major if they're capable.

    My rationale is remarkably similar I think. Literally ever field, hobby, and area of study involve some form of technology. Many of those disciplines lack the sophistication of the tooling and that we have in more programming related fields, which makes people with an additional specialized skill set extremely valuable.

    Hell, look around at fintech, bioinformatics, computational arts, etc. We have emerging Fields all the time that are essentially computer science combined with another field.

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    [–] 75 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

    I’d rather be an electrician than a plumber. It’s like a simpler, deadlier Ethernet.

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  • [–] [S] 21 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)
  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Powerline networking is a thing and a great choice for bringing hardline connections to remote parts of a house.

    I had a shed that had electric but my WiFi couldn’t reach and a cheap powerline kit and a spare OpenWRT worked a treat.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    I think all power lines should have a communications protocol. Not every device has to use them, and they'd be lower bandwidth than data-only lines, but I think the era of data-communicating appliances is here to stay, and it'd be better they go over the wires we have rather than clogging up the wireless spectrum.

    Within a single building for sure, but even neighborhood lines could carry some data I bet. I wonder if and how that would work. Gonna have to learn some more about electricity and grid infrastructure.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    The cybersecurity specialist in me really doesn't like the idea of having enough wire in public spaces that it's essentially impossible to monitor, sending infrastructure related data.

    But then again, a weekend playing around with a flipper zero and a walk through town is enough to realize that it probably doesn't matter.

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    [–] 72 points 2 weeks ago (30 children)

    That's unironically a good idea if you are just getting into it. The trades pay very well and are in high demand.

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  • [–] [S] 41 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Tell me about it. Giving thought to retraining as an electrician given how in demand they are.

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  • [–] 46 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I want to get training as an electrician so I can take my house completely off the grid (or at least, be independent with the grid as a redundancy) one day without accidentally burning it down. Then I want to make free software to monitor and manage home power usage, and share it with the world so we can all have nice, efficient, futuristic homes without some corporate combine demanding a monthly fee and invasive surveillance for the pleasure.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    The trades pay very well and are in high demand.

    But you'll pay for it with crippling back pain at 45. Maybe some nice cancer as a bonus, from all the exposure to weird chemicals. Oh, and 90% of your coworkers racist, sexist, homophobic MAGA-heads who'll make sure you hear about it at every opportunity.

    The trades can still be good, but go into it with eyes open. It's no paradise.

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    [–] 48 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    I sent this to my plumber to congratulate him on his career choice.

    Turns out now he’s an electrician and his company got hired to help build an AI data center. 💀Sixty electricians from his company alone on one job. Drones surveilling the repetitive work overhead.

    So much for escaping the impacts of AI.

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    [–] 40 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Computer, I need software please!

    Why won't it work? I asked for software!

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    [–] 38 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Don't do plumbing, join us in HVAC-R. There is way less training and fewer certs required. The bar is so low it's derailing subways.

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    [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    IT guy here, not a programmer per se, but I have given up and am re-training into fraud detection. I want to take down some of the fuckers that ruined the industry before I die

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    [–] 33 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)
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    [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

    I'm a few weeks from graduating in software engineering, I think I'm going back to my old plan of finding a strong rope and a sturdy tree.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Nothing wrong with being an arborist.

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    I work in software but I have a side job working for an arborist, and you might have been joking but it's legit a great industry to have a backup plan in.

    Most arborists near me have more work than they can keep up with. You see, the thing about trees is, you trim them, wait a year, and the bastards grow back! It's like a giant scam and the trees are all in on it!

    It's a pretty fun job too, if you're relatively fit. You get to climb trees, throw logs into giant scary chippers, and you get first dibs on all the best gun and sword shaped sticks.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    I know this is a haha community, but software isn't dead. Most corps are going to insist you use AI. Especially as a junior dev. Look for places that say things like "engineers make the decisions". You need to find a place where you can get experience learning how software is built, even if the bot does the typing. People have been getting laid off and that sucks but software devs aren't going anywhere. Ai writes bad code. They need us to make sure bad code doesn't go to production.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago*

    They need us to make sure bad code doesn’t go to production.

    what worries me: that's not something a junior can do.

    I see it with the local lawyers office, they have stopped hiring junior lawyers and are replacing the junior's tasks by AI. Fine for now, but I wonder what happens when the others retire, who's going to replace them if no juniors are trained?

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago* (2 children)

    Don't let it get you down. You need to remember that this whole AI hype / AI will replace everyone is coming from people who invested a lot of money into it and really need it to succeed now.

    Many also have an oversimplified view of what the discipline of software engineering includes in addition to little understanding how different types of AI work.

    Besides, skillsets you learned in SE can easily applied to other 'non-virtual' fields. Many people suck at providing clear and specific instructions or requirements; businesses also have many real world processes that need to be optimized; identifying problems in a system (you first need to see there is an issue, if you want to ask an AI to fix it for you in the next step); being able to break down and tackle large, complex topics; ... I could probably come up with many more points.

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    [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago* (9 children)

    you'll either be needed to extract dead systems after this all falls apart, or to build new systems for people that don't want slop service in dead space.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Oops, requirements were written by ai too

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    For real.

    I recently lost half a morning having to go through a slop requirements document and making a list of questions like "are you sure you want this? why do you want this? what does this even mean?", to which the answers were all "I don't know, ChatGPT wrote it".

    Like why did you even bother sending me this, you could've just sent me the prompt instead and saved me 2 hours of my life

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  • [–] 28 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    getting licensed as an electrician has been on my mind recently. i’m so tired of the whole industry

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago

    I quit programming and became a school bus driver. I'm 100X happier even if I am making like 1/6 of what I used to make. What I'll do after I'm replaced with AI I don't know, but at least it will happen long after I would have been replaced as a programmer by AI. I'm more concerned about what the parents will do when their kids are run over by the fucking AI-driven school buses.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    I worked in IT support for 15 years. Now I work on a dairy farm. Cows are way better than people. Go into farming, fellow lemmings. It's so rewarding.

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    [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago* (4 children)

    > the end of software engineering

    > looks inside

    > overhyped slop generator

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  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago

    With all the food recalls, I'm sure plumbing is a high demand job.

    Jokes aside; trades suck. If you like hot ass heat, cramped places, constant injuries, buying your own tools, ruining your body before you reach forty, and annoying customers; then it's the job for you. This is an anecdotal take but yeah it's not fun. I wouldn't be exaggerating if I say I wish I did anything else for the last ten years. The money was good but the added pain isn't worth it.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Learn the essential skills and tools to become a confident plumber.

    And then discover that plumbers won't even take on an apprentice without three years of experience.

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    [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Started carpentry work this week. It's alright if you don't work with assholes

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I'm going to be a baker! just putting it off as long as possible because I don't want to wake up at 2am.

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  • [–] 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    Every other baker gets up at 2am. Be the only 2pm baker out there for fresh evening breads!

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    I'm thinking cake decorator. Or florist. Maybe grave digger.

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