cross-posted from: https://discuss.online/post/45077170

Actually it was called the Iran-Contra Affair.

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[–] 79 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

I'm old enough to remember that some the embassy staff managed to evade capture and were hidden by the Canadian embassy staff until they could be smuggled out.

Then Hollywood made movie about it and gave Ben Affleck all the credit.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    The guy that writes the book takes the credit and sells the rights to Hollywood. Tale as old as time.

    At least Tony Mendez seems to enjoy a fair bit of esteem with his former colleagues. That’s not always the case.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 weeks ago (19 children)

    I blame Reagan for everything that sucks today.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    I was just telling my kids about how public universities charge tuition because of Reagan.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

    Just like Trump, he just abuses the holes in the rules that have never been fixed. Reagan was the first to do that large scale, but in reality nothing out of manners or some moral code was preventing things like that happening before, and as we currently see, the americans haven't fixed anything in the last decades - it rather seems many have forgotten more than they ever learned.

    The US is a joke - we can see how much their constitution and democratic institutions are worth in reality. Outside of an outsized ego and megalomaniac tendencies, there's not much to see there.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    He helped, but was hardly the principal person. Its a large movement fueled by hatred and bigotry, led by a small wealthy few.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 weeks ago

    So much happened under his watch though. And he gets so much credit from republicans for the economy doing well too.

    I think what makes me the most mad about him is he paved the way for the ultra rich that we have now. Massively cut taxes on the wealthy and cut regulations. The tech boom started under his watch, but was paid for by government sponsored research and colleges. They took ownership and now we’re all worse off for it.

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    [–] 44 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    The United States have been a problem country for 100+ years.

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    [–] 40 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    After dropping off their load of illegal weapons, the smugglers that Oliver North hired to smuggle the weapons down to Central America found themselves with an empty plane, a fistful of cash, and CIA protection, so what do you think they did?

    That's right, they loaded their planes with cocaine, and flew them back to America, over and over and over again, starting the crack epidemic that killed millions, a lesser know outcome of the Iran-Contra Treason.

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  • [–] 31 points 2 weeks ago

    Nixon did the same thing with the North Vietnamese so he could get elected in 1968. He didn't offer to sell them weapons, but he encouraged them to not negotiate with the Johnson administration, telling them that he'd give them better terms. Then he kept the war going for YEARS, until North Vietnam finally won it, chased the Americans out.

    TREASON has is a core conservative value.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Don’t forget, Iran was a democratic nation in the early 1950s until America fucked it up for corporate profits. We created the conditions that brought about the Iran regime to capitulate to corporate interests.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat

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  • [–] 9 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Highly recommend reading this book for more details on American interference in sovereign nations to protect corporate interests: https://ia600507.us.archive.org/0/items/ConfessionsOfAnEconomicHitman_257/JohnPerkins-ConfessionsOfAnEconomicHitman.pdf

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    [–] 23 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    It was called the Iran/Contra scandal

    After he won

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  • [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    And when the hostages-until-election deal was discovered the corporate news sewers were fine with it. Less so than now, but they could have stuck it to them, but they were outplayed by Michael Deaver.

    His “Morning in America” bullshit is what we called MAGA back then. Flags. Trucks. Racism.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Something else the americans have forgotten about Canadians helping them with.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Caper

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    So republicans have been worthless corrupt shit for as long as I've been alive..

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

    Hard to argue with vote blue no matter who if you look at every republican president

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    [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

    To be clear, the henchman who constructed this outrageous evil was former CIA director George Herbert Walker Bush who called the FBI when JFK was shot to let them know he totally wasn’t anywhere near Dallas that day okay so don’t even bother looking.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    GHWB was one of the shooters, or at the very least, on the ground conducting the op.

    Ed Lansdale. Ted Shackley. E Howard Hunt. Lee Harvey Oswald. David Morales.

    Basically all of them CIA, Operation Mongoose veterans.

    With Bush, JE Hoover directly mentioned him by name in a memo that supposedly didnt't exist untill oops it does and it's real.

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    If you haven't yet, you should read Family of Secrets, it's eye opening

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  • [–] 3 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Funny, that book. I went to find it on Wikipedia to see if it's something I'd read and there's recurring disagreement on the talk page about it. One gets the impression there is an effort to discredit the entire work, with an overt emphasis on calling it conspiracy theory along with the omission of anything positive.

    I went to one of the review sources used, and it's true: the wiki author really did only quote the first line of the paragraph from the Boston Magazine article. The rest of the Boston Magazine article supports the praise, but the Wikipedia author chose to include only this:

    Family of Secrets was trounced by the mainstream media: “There are more crutches in these pages,” wrote the Washington Post, “than in the grotto at Lourdes.”

    Here's the rest of the source paragraph, the part they left out (emphasis mine):

    And yet it’s an impressive feat of reporting, its pages filled with constellations of intriguing and often troubling facts. Baker’s editor, Peter Ginna, told the New York Observer in 2009, “I worked at Oxford University Press for 10 years and published several Pulitzer Prize–winning historians, and I have not published any book that was more extensively documented and more impeccably footnoted than this one.” Gore Vidal called it “one of the most important books of the past 10 years.”

    Interesting editorial choices. It's almost like someone doesn't want anyone to take it seriously. But if it's that well researched and documented, and it appears to be, then it's not just an unfounded conspiracy theory, is it.

    I'd read it just to find out what someone's so upset about in there that they have to try to make it look like a hack job. And Gore Vidal, for all his personal foibles, was prescient about what was going on in this country long before the rest of us had any idea the fascists were taking over, and a recommendation from him was high praise: I'd read it just for that.

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    [–] 5 points 2 weeks ago

    "Did Reagan give the orders? Did cocaine pay the bills?

    They said we's fighting communists, it was kinda hard to tell"

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    [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    He was an empty suit that could read very well off a teleprompter

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    [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

    Im smart enough to understand history and what the US and Britain did to Mossaddegh and Iran.

    This was all caused by imperialistic ambitions by western powers and 80 years later nobody remembers who caused what.

    The US has been a terrorist state since its inception.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Every word uttered by a conservative is deception or manipulation. Every. Word.

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    [–] 2 points 2 weeks ago

    can't they do anything honest over there?

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