This is unacceptable. And I’m sick of all the fucking workarounds to maintain basic privacy.

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[–] 89 points 2 weeks ago (23 children)

We need to collectively abandon tech that insists on any of this. I post about this often, but I'll say it again: this will come with discomfort; you need to be okay with that temporarily.

These ghouls cannot withstand weeks / months of boycott. They simply can't, daddy earning reports and the shareholders won't allow it.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 weeks ago

    ID required for computer use in general has to be my line in the sand and that scares the fuck outta me. I have no idea how to make ends meet for the people who depend on me, if I have to walk away from computers, but there has to be a line somewhere.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 weeks ago (15 children)

    The problem is that they made people addicted first. This is like saying "Everyone, we need to boycott heroin until they stop cutting it with fentanyl!"

    What we need is to take over the government and enact and enforce laws against this. Hopefully by voting.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago*

    Its like the first thing in my post "this will cause discomfort"

    I didn't say it was going to be easy at all, its going to be hard, but with some conviction in the values / morals informing your reason for protest its actually easy after that initial week is over.

    Edit: its also infinitely easier to enact change like this in your own life than to smash a grand slam with a "government takeover.". Not saying that wouldn't be great, but let's start with the things we have control over.

    Also, you can just do both; vote and boycott...

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    [–] 61 points 2 weeks ago (31 children)

    Sigh, guess it’s time to bust open a pre-code copy of ‘How to build Linux from scratch’

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  • [–] [S] 29 points 2 weeks ago (14 children)

    I fucking guess. I am at the point where I will take my children out of school if they are forced to do face scans or give any ID in order to participate and learn. I’m almost at the point where I would rather lose my job than comply with this

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    take my children out of school if they are forced to do face scans or give any ID

    don't know where you live, but here in the ol' U of K, schools have been doing that sort of thing for over 20 years! I was appalled when I first heard about it, and I think it was from a friend whose kids had to give fingerprints. "Oh yes I know - big brother, but it's so convenient" was their attitude.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    bust open a pre-code copy of ‘How to build Linux from scratch’

    Short term, that'll help. Long term, it won't.

    Sure, you can do that. Then what? If every single site requires a secure attestation from an identity service before you can use it, you re boned. Want to shop? Bank? Social media? Check the gd weather? If the site won't serve you w/o a strong identity proof, then linux won't save you. Linux will be an island.

    IDK if it'll get that far. But it isn't that far fetched. Already today, I estimate 50% of site I try to use won't answer me if I totally block fingerprints and use a VPN. I'm talking mundane shit, recipes, car repair info, w/e. If I remove my privacy protections, they work fine. Nothing stops that from happening to any OS that deosn't prove a trusted ID attestation.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago

    Linux so far is mostly exempt and it's the big corporations like Microsoft, Apple, and Google who actually want it so they can sell that info and use it for ads. For Linux, just consider it one more criteria for choosing your distribution if it comes around. If the distro adds it as a requirement for install, then move to another. Fortunately there are lots of good ones these days.

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    [–] 51 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

    The Illinois age verification law, however, applies to Linux distributions and other open-source operating systems.

    Get fucked Illinois.

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    [–] 45 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    I will not comply. I do not care how hard it makes my life. This is a line in the sand I will not cross. If a social media asks me to upload my government-issued ID, that's the end of that social media. If a computer asks me to use my government ID to use it, that's not a computer I will use. The only online service I can see that would need my government issued ID is my bank. And that's only because they are required to collect it in order for me to have an account. Everything else can go fuck right off.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    The only thing I’m most worried about is losing my job over non compliance. I can handle not participating in society. But if that’s what it takes to draw the line, I’m really considering it now and finding an alternative way to live. It’s dumb that this can even be allowed. But at this point, it’s obvious that the top just wants wage slaves to exploit in every way possible. I can’t imagine my kids growing up like that, ya know? It’s got to stop

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  • [–] 44 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (8 children)

    Open/libre source operating systems won't. No matter where you live. As long as all purpose computers exist.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    Enjoy not being able to use your bank, major websites, email, online shopping, pay utility bills, do basic and required civic functions online (that require alternatives of driving long distances and/or waiting on the phone for long periods of time), etc because your open source operating system doesn't pass the attestation check.

    Maybe not long after Google, Cloudflare and others will just block you behind anti-bot defenses because you don't pass such a check and only bots would not pass such a check.

    Hiding on Linux is not a solution to a legal problem. It's at best punting.

    This stuff is either defeated or you'll enjoy living as a hermit cut off from society with your perfectly private, perfectly offline computer.

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  • [–] 18 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    What I'm about to say, I say only as an alternative in conjunction with fighting legislatively: It's time many of us alter our behaviors to accommodate these crackdowns. Not as a matter of subservience, please don't think I mean it that way, but as a matter of practicality and survival. Make cash withdrawals when possible to pay for goods and services. Transition back to paper bills. Separate from computers where you can, while also understanding that the places you can't, you're just going to have to deal with the bullshit. Resist where practical, if only for your own sanity.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    If general computers are outlawed, only outlaws will have general computers.

    I use an open source browser with a hardware TAN generator for banking. I pay with an NFC card. All the websites I care about work with open standards. Fuck the rest. I am perfectly able to run my own email servers. If online shopping requres proprietary bullshit they lose me as a customer. My bills are direct debit. No, there are no basic and requred civic functions that must happen online. I simply walk or go there to do that in person.

    I am already frequently blocked by Cloudflare because I use an always on VPN and only open source tooling. I simply cease to use such services.

    You are correct that the proper solution to fascism is to go away or to kill them.

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  • [–] 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    However, the EFF believes that operating system providers such as Apple, Google, and Microsoft will require more personal information.

    To protect the children, of course.

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    [–] 32 points 2 weeks ago

    Currently, the age requirement is attestation. You click through an age gate.

    So essentially its the same as most social media, which currently requires you are over 13. Kids have long learned to lie about their age to set up social media accounts.

    Laws may get passed to require an ID check or confirmation, but at that point that'll require telling the device (and its corporate masters) your identity and I think that's going to interact with privacy rights.

    I learned in the USENET days to adopt a handle, to keep my meat identity separate from my online identity. We're going to have to learn that again.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

    I2P and onion don't need it

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  • [–] 24 points 2 weeks ago*

    I’m tired of this notion that society must protect children from reality. If parents want to raise their kids in stupid sheltered worlds, that’s their stupid fucking choice and should go no further than their choices for their kids. Sheltering children is a stupid concept. Parents should be explaining the crazy shit kids will see and give them a healthy way to absorb the bad in the world not trying to act like it doesn’t exist. We shouldn’t have to bend over backwards to capitulate to their idea of how a kid should be raised. I shouldn’t have to give up my privacy to prop up their fantasy. Personally, every kid I’ve seen be sheltered ends up a more fucked up adult. The world is fucked, kids should learn how to live in it.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 weeks ago* (3 children)

    The real workaround is using Linux. Age verification isn't truly enforceable in Open Source software

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  • [–] 12 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    Apps will get your age range from your operating system using an application programming interface (API). In other words, they’ll ask the operating system for your age range and get a response.

    It's likely that we'll get block if on Linux unless if the OS has a token for that check.

    But I agree with you, Linux is the way to go. Windows will end up being a surveillance camera first and foremost, especially if you couple the "age" check with the cloud integration.

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago

    What are you supposed to do with work laptops and such that get passed around? Head of IT supposed to submit their ID for each one?

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  • [–] 20 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    My collection of hoarded media waits eagerly if this forces me to say goodbye to the internet outside of work obligations

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    [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

    I’m waiting for the selfie required logins. Right now, you log into YouTube or anything else with that user base and they want a selfie and a phone number. YouTube even asks for your address. You can skip. For now.

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    [–] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 child)

    Stallman calls this “Service as a Software Substitute” (SaaSS): users operate weak “thin clients” while the real computing happens on someone else’s server. He argues this creates dependence and oppression because users cannot control, inspect, modify, or reliably access the software handling their data. He develops this argument in “What Does That Server Really Serve?” (2010).

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  • [–] 17 points 2 weeks ago

    If it does it will be the last thing it does

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  • [–] 15 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

    It also drives me nuts as a non-American that random states in America can pass laws that I then have to deal with.

    I mean I already use Linux but I'm sure I'm going to bump into this somewhere eventually. I think this might be the final straw though, I pretty much don't use any social media as it is, this might be the thing that just makes me detach from the internet altogether, or as much as humanly possible at least.

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

    The Linux exemptions in Cali and Colorado bring up something else if that gets followed on a broader scale: Can't apps and services just start blocking Linux and start specifically demanding Windows or Mac?

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

    Pretty sure China doesn't have laws that demand your age.

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    [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago

    Oh well back to C64

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  • [–] 14 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

    Things will just get worse if we don't do something concrete, like organizing protest marches and petitions, going on strike, and similar.

    Quoting from an episode of Slow Horses: "heavy on hashtags, light on results".

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    [–] 13 points 2 weeks ago

    Shut the fuck up, nobody cares about your robot fanfiction. Know your fucking place, trash! Fucking robots, I don't talk about no robots. They got no soul.

    - FilthyFrank

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago* (1 child)

    Also, if you think the Fediverse is gonna be safe from this, then I have bad news for you. Also, decentralized networks in general could be targeted by this sorta thing if what happened to A/I is any indication.

    What happened to those Mastodon instances and to A/I is proof that even decentralized networks can be targeted by censorship.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 weeks ago

    mine won't :)

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