Direct link to the LLM Policy Discussion: https://invent.kde.org/plasma/plasma-workspace/-/work_items/187

Example of KDE dev rejecting environmental consideration:

Example of KDE devs not wanting to require LLM use be disclosed.

And all of this is coming right after the debacle with an AI slop project being allowed to give a presentation at Akademy, and the person asking how this was allowed being blocked by KDE:

https://lemmy.nz/post/42029517

as well as the discussion thread bringing up legitimate concerns about AI usage being closed:

https://discuss.kde.org/t/sorry-to-bring-up-a-contentious-topic-kde-ai-llm-policy/46333/164

As someone who genuinely loves KDE, and has even donated to the project multiple times, I sadly have to accept that the majority of KDE have hopped onto the Pro-AI train, and they will not be dissuaded otherwise.

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[–] [M] 5 points 5 days ago*

I am locking the thread because I consider this cherry picking comments from KDE maintainers misinformation. Let's wait and see where they go... The discussion as to include gen AI code, in which ways, how much, etc. is something that many projects (if not all) are undergoing. Let's be respectful to their open decision processes! This respectfulness needs to be regardless of whether we agree or not with what they do. Once they make a decision, sure, go ahead with flaming commentaries and endorsing alternatives or forks (if they appeared)

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  • [–] 81 points 6 days ago (20 children)

    If slop coding is so great why is everyone so adamant about hiding it from users?

    If you're not willing to disclose something, maybe take that as a hint.

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  • [–] 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    As a user, I think this is the biggest issue I have with this policy. Disclosure is a big part of open source and hiding whatever tools are used is fundamentally against that philosophy.

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  • [–] 8 points 6 days ago (1 child)

    Would you be willing to expand on what you mean by disclosure being a big part of open source?

    I ask because it has not been my experience that OSS developers have ever had a habit of disclosing what tools they use. If you are lucky then a repo has instructions for contributors, that may describe tools being used, or CI configuration for running tests and linters, but most projects have neither. Mostly you just get instructions for building the project, but sometimes not even that

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago

    In some projects you'll see a kind of a colophon section listing all the tools used in making some software. Not just obviously things like libraries, but OS, text editor, IDE, art tools, or even inspirations.

    It's not everywhere, but it's frequent enough, and different from how proprietary software credits (or doesn't) to make it a distinction imo.

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  • [–] 12 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    I feel like using ai is like using drugs, they're bad, but regulating them is muuuuuuuch better than just prohibiting, people will use it anyways.

    It's not a one to one comparison but I feel encouraging witch hunts will definitely do more harm than normalizing it.

    To be clear, I don't want it either, I'm acknowledging it's the lesser of two evils.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago

    How would you even enforce it. Its possible to make extensive use of local LLMs and have them write no code at all that you submit. Is that use of AI? Should it be disclosed? If you did you would get puritans calling it slop regardless of the result too.

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    [–] 36 points 6 days ago* (2 children)

    It starts with "oh, just clean up any code generated" and "you must understand what your code does" and then in a decade that person won't remember how to code at all because they self-lobotomized themselves for the convenience.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 days ago* (1 child)

    I don't think becoming a worse coder is necessarily a big problem as long as code review really happens, as long as the human in the picture retains their algorithmic thinking there is no lobotomy. Of course we all know how human laziness works, so thinking that people would actually keep reviewing code after they find no major issues N times in a row is a pipe dream.

    And I don't know about you guys, but I for one dislike reading someone else's code. LLM generated blocks can be especially bad for testing my sanity.

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  • [–] 16 points 6 days ago

    time to stop donating then. Ai crap results in death by a thousand cuts.

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  • [–] 7 points 6 days ago

    I switched to Niri a few months ago as an experiment but now I guess I will not go back to KDE anytime soon

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  • [–] 10 points 6 days ago (5 children)

    You cannot tell from the code necessarily anyway so anti-AI policies are hard to enforce. In the end the developer (or AI wielding human) is responsible for the code quality and its license which is what matters. All this discussion feels just like the usual culture war dividing the community. I’m more concerned about the intentions of people adding fuel to the fire.

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    In the end the developer (or AI wielding human) is responsible for the code quality and its license which is what matters.

    They literally may not have any control over the license, that is one of the many big problems people have. Please read the article linked by OP about the copyrightabilty of LLM generated code - https://fsfe.org/news/2026/news-20260825-01.html. It depends heavily on how they used the LLM, so if there is zero disclosure required the entire project could get into licensing hell down the road.

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    [–] 5 points 6 days ago

    The stupidity of bandwagoners is on full display in this comment section.

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  • [–] 3 points 5 days ago

    Guess I'll stay on xfce...

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  • [–] 5 points 6 days ago (7 children)

    So many people say they reject AI, but then how can you even use desktop Linux?

    The kernel & the popular browsers have an increasing number of AI contributions, there is no escaping this.

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 6 days ago (2 children)

    As it is impossible to completely avoid AI use with Linux, I must content myself with only minimization instead of complete elimination, as I won't let the pursuit of perfection mean I just give up entirely. Any reduction is still meaningful, just as it's still worthwhile to minimize fossil fuel usage and meat consumption as much as is reasonably possible.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago*

    Modern society is built on destruction and cruelty. Doesn't mean I can advice somebody to give up living in society and sound smart.

    To suggest that "compromising on ideals for practicality" is the same as "roll-over and accept it" is dishonest and only done by people who want to win the argument by attrition so they get what they want.

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    [–] 3 points 6 days ago* (8 children)

    I love KDE (as a DE), but now I hate KDE (as a community).

    Is there any fork (whether it's an stablished one or it's an emerging one) that outright bans AI, or that at least doesn't explicitly embrace it?

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  • [–] 7 points 6 days ago (7 children)

    KDE is huge, you can't just fork all of it (of course technically you could, but it is not much use). You maybe could fork individual projects, a bit like https://vim-classic.org/

    I was thinking of having some kind of online list for packages without AI stuff. Of course a 100% slop free desktop installation is probably impossible nowadays, it would still be interesting to see how far one can go.

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  • [–] 3 points 6 days ago* (3 children)

    Such a list already exists!

    Edit: i read the comment wrong, this is kind of the opposite list lmao. But it's still useful so imma leave the comment up

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