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I saw a post that talked about racism towards people and when I talked about it the response I got was very heated and a person even called lemmy.world a community of 'hitlerites'

I have been around for a week or so and this is my first time seeing such explicit vulgar reaction towards another community, is this a one-off or should I block hexbear?

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[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Hexbear, lemmygrad.ml and lemmy.ml are the "Tankie Triad".

Hexbear is the worst most extreme of them and lemmy.ml is the least which is why they've managed to avoid getting defederated from world (either that or because they're like the third largest instance behind only .world and SJW)

Hexbear is pretty widely defederated

[–] Pipster@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

A lot of .ml users and communities are there just because it was the only big instance much earlier on. I'm in no way a tankie but still use .ml a lot (a community I run is on there) because it was the first one I made and i'm too lazy to look into new instances or switch.

[–] tgxn@lemmy.tgxn.net 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yeah the other two I definately agree with, but lemmy.ml is mostly tame.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's all under the surface, the admins, mods and a good portion of users have just as extreme viewpoints, but tend to walk the line quite carefully to avoid being defederated by .world

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's just not true. They don't give a shit about .world. They don't even have to give a shit about .world. They've got plenty of traffic to manage without .world. It's just stupid to do so over some squabbles

Plus, everyone secretly loves the animosity. Like how the Dutch are always making fun of Belgians, but if anyone else ever says anything bad about Belgians, they'll get a kick in the nuts from the Dutch.

[–] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's just not true. They don't give a shit about .world. They don't even have to give a shit about .world. They've got plenty of traffic to manage without .world.

You must not have spent much time over there, go into any .ml threads where .world gets brought up and they'll shit all over us for being a CIA front, US State Department Mouthpiece, nothin but bots, "Reddit 2.0", "fake leftist", front for the US military, to stupid to realize we're just digesting propaganda and on and on and on

But yet, they won't defederate and they get awfully mad whenever someone does bring up .world defederating from them.

So I ask you, if they're so full with traffic to manage, then why do they not defederate from .world?

[–] abbadon420@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

My guess is as good as any, maybe it's because tankies need someone to tank against. Can't be a racist without other races around. Can't be a misogynist with women around. Can't be a transphobe without trans people around. Can't be a .ml tankie without .world people around.

About the traffic, they (used to be or are they still?) the default instance on join-lemmy.org . Thats how a lot of people joined that instance and that's how they have gained a lot of users and general communities. Maybe that has changed though, I really don't care enough to actually check current metrics.

[–] archonet@lemy.lol 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

block hexbear, lemmygrad, and lemmy.ml. And any user named "UniversalMonk" on any instance. You'll thank me later.

[–] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

I'd probably be more selective about blocking users from lemmy.ml, but I'm a bit biased in the question given the server I chose when I joined Lemmy

[–] VinesNFluff@pawb.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh another one of these

Short answer:

"What if 4chan was communist instead of neonazi"

Similar level of assholety and low post quality. Better politics. Overall don't bother, not worth it.

[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

“What if 4chan was communist instead of neonazi”

Not quite, that would be /leftypol/

wiki page / KnowYourMeme


Better politics.

This reminds me of one of their site banners:

screenshot of a chan imageboard post with the text "What the fuck? Why does /pol/ have one or two reading lists and /leftypol/ has tons?"

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seems this post is being brigaded by hexbear alts fyi

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Nah that's just Antiyanks again. They have hundreds of accounts.

[–] Glasgow@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

They/them or is Antiyanks a thing?

[–] Snowpix@lemmy.ca 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Antiyanks is a user who gets banned constantly and keeps making new accounts over and over. If you see a brand new account that attacks other people and quickly gets banned, that's them. Their usernames usually insult the admins or Americans and they tend to use small instances for new accounts making them very easy to spot.

They claim to have hobbies outside of insulting people on Lemmy, but I find that very hard to believe given how dedicated they are to it. They were already up to over 30 accounts just 2 months ago.

[–] airportline@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, if you're not a communist, the less you know the better.

[–] zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's not even about being a communist. It's about being a tankie.

[–] Chip_Rat@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Would you be willing to explain the difference? I don't know and I did do a google on it awhile back and I guess if I learned anything it didn't stick....

Signed: idiot on the internet who wants to know these things.

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[–] Diva@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Hexbear is pretty overwhelmingly queer/trans and anarchist/communist.

If you've never run into a transfem communist IRL it's probably because you're not in many queer or left wing organizing spaces.

I'm actually pretty new to Lemmy in the last year and in that time I've seen way more .world posters being toxic about .ml/hexbear and making vague posts about how bad they are. I have to imagine that's why you're now seeing backlash to .world. Also most of the time I see people complaining about these instances and I dig into the modlog it's overwhelmingly because they got banned at some point for being reactionary and are bent out of shape about it.

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

In my experience as a queer leftist, world is toxic as hell. I’ve had numerous moments where I’ve considered banning the whole instance but there’s communities on it I like. So i ban individuals who drink too much liberal kool aid and think team blue can do nothing wrong and genocide is perfectly reasonable because the other guy is worse! and they have been crying non stop since they lost and continue to blame the left for having a backbone rather than look in the mirror.

Needless to say my whole account got banned on world for being a Luigi supporter and anti-democrat. So im on an anarchist instance now, and even after a minor disagreement with an admin over the concept of copyright it’s still nice.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

We disagreed on copyright?! That's a ben, landlubber! a drowning person with a trihat

[–] inv3r5ion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It had to do with AI training on data (individual peoples artwork for example) without permission.

I don’t care about corporate stuff being stolen but individual artists getting screwed doesn’t sit well with me. And it’s the one and only time I’ve ever said nice things about adobe of all companies! because they compensate artists who’s work they train their ai on.

Guess I’m gonna have to change instances again lololol (please don’t ban me I like it here)

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 points 6 months ago

I was clearly joking! all good! pirate captain giving the thumbs up

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Hexbear.net is a Left-Unity instance populated mainly by Marxists and Anarchists. They generally don't get along with Lemmy.world, whose admins defederated from the major Marxist-aligned instances.

Whether you block Hexbear is up to you, I enjoy my time there a lot but it's also because I'm a Marxist. The ones saying they are "pretending" to be Leftist never seem to be able to explain why a large group of people would all ironically have theory reading groups and ironically support trans rights for years, even before federating with anyone else. What would they have to gain?

If I were you, I'd ask on an instance actually federated with them. You'll get different perspectives than you will here, which is always the case when it comes to controversial topics like Marxism, where opinion varies greatly from instance to instance.

[–] DacoTaco@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Credit where credit is due, youre honest and youre correct. Have my upvote!

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[–] BootyBuccaneer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Left-Unity instance

I doubt it or I'd be over there. Instead, I got attacked and mocked by a circlejerking mob of angsty teens from Hexbear operating in bad faith for remotely questioning something about communism and then got permabanned from Lemmy.ml. I didn't even attack it! 😂

[–] BrainInABox@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

Remember that they don't consider liberals to be leftists

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

Do you have a link? Would be interested to see.

[–] TheFrirish@jlai.lu 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

https://sh.itjust.works/c/meanwhileongrad

One word, Tankies.

The community I shared rounds up posts that really portray their ~~Phalusophy~~ Philosophy really well. Now you would need to scroll down a bit to see some posts from hexbear specifically.

but I cannot recommend you enough to stay well away from hexbear, lemmygrad and if possible .ml

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Quick question, what's the humor in satarizing a Chinese man as a yellow bear, specificially? Why not a Panda?

[–] loutr@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You'd have to ask the Chinese internet users who started the meme. Or there is a detailed wikipedia article if you're interested in the backstory.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Wikipedia actually doesn't state that it was chinese users that started it, just that the Chinese internet started taking the comparisons down (same with all of the articles I found and the ones Wikipedia references as sources). Additionally, the original image of Xi and Obama together as Pooh and Tigger, and the subsequent picture of Xi and Shinzo Abe as Pooh and Eeyore, emerged as group pictures of world leaders, but only the comparison of Xi to Pooh stuck.

Further, that doesn't explain the immense popularity among westerners in portraying Xi as a yellow bear, nor why it seems to be especially popular among western right-wingers.

Curiously enough, MWoG is maintained by a gamergater. Curious indeed.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Source on the gamergater claim?

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Here's where they admit to it. They claim to have gotten better, but they were radicalized by it, and their behavior indicates that they haven't actually moved too far beyond it, such as when they complain about "encountering wokeness." In another instance, they blame far-right radicalization on "forcing equity," which is just anti-DEI nonsense.

[–] prototype_g2@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Why don't you asked them yourself? !askchapo@hexbear.net

Probably a bad idea to ask about a Marxist instance on a .world community, since .world is known to be quite biased against Marxism.

[–] Akuji@leminal.space 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)
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[–] DosDude@retrolemmy.com 0 points 6 months ago

I would block hexbear. I've done it server-wide. They are mostly very loud trolls pretending to be communists. Some could be actual communists, but I don't buy anyone actually wanting to be in such a toxic environment and believe what they claim to believe.

[–] kaprap@leminal.space 0 points 6 months ago

I'm sorry if I sound tone deaf I am new to Lemmy .~.

[–] verdigris@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Actual leftists mostly, with a few crazies.

[–] SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Actual crazies with a few leftists.

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