he wasn't the problem with that movie
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There is a kernel of a truly great movie hidden inside Batman & Robin. Unfortunately it's buried under a mountain of shit. The result? Pure corn.
I call it the Nipple Batman, and I enjoyed it too.
Dinner dinner dinner dinner Batman!
So many good cast members completely wasted
Clooney Batman was great, he fit right in the role IMHO, too bad he was in Batman & Robin, but I could easily see him doing what Keaton did, or even Pattinson.
When I saw that movie I was disappointed. Everyone in my life would always tell me how terrible it was and I shouldn't watch it, then when I actually did watch it it turns out the movie is actually just a gigantic love letter to Adam West's batman and is one of my favorite batman movies and I'm upset I listened to The Average Idiotic Movie Viewer and didn't watch it sooner.
The problem is that it's supposed to be a sequel to the Tim Burton movies and it just doesn't work on that front.
Neither does Batman Forever but that one is treated a lot better.
Because Batman Forever is a sequel to a Tim Burton movie.
Batman & Robin is a sequel to a sequel of a Tim Burton movie.
The level of camp/silliness increased for each film.
As a standalone film, it was fine. In the era it came out in, it didn't work.
Tommy Lee Jones acting like a sugar addicted child was more emotionally scarring than any other movie I have ever seen. And I am including liveleak videos in this.
Both of the Joel Schumacher films are fun if you don't take them seriously. They're not perfect by any means, but I'll throw them on every few years and have a good time. I can't even remember the last time I watched the Burton films, besides clips of "Love that Joker"
I think you just have to judge them for what they are, not hyper gritty neo noir anti hero or the gothy expressionist dark serious tone, but more of a campy fun 60s Adam West bman style everyone just going really hammy.
Batman Returns is in my holiday movie rotation.
I really liked George Clooney as Batman.
But I also liked Pierce Brosnan as James Bond so I'm probably wrong.
Pierce Brosnan was great as James Bond. Goldeneye probably saved the franchise from oblivion. He got shit scripts after that, but he was right for the role.
Also, Dalton's first movie as Bond is highly underrated.
Please elaborate on the Brosnan part? I think he fit the role well, and I think GoldenEye is one of the best Bond movies. That being said, I wouldn't call myself a Bond connoisseur.
I don't think any of the Bonds were bad in the role. They all bought their own thing to it.
Some of them got some dogshit plots and scripts though, and frankly Brosnan's may have been even worse than Dalton's. Goldeneye is at least goofy and fun, a return to the Moore era. The rest were irredeemably bad.
Say what you like of Clooney Batman, but it was the most memorable. I think of the bat credit card more than I would like.
They must have had a Visa/MasterCard/whatever product placement in mind that fell through, and then they did the scene, anyway.
it's such a fucking good joke too
"good thru: FOREVER"
Gothcard is pretty on point too.
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I just want to know who approved nips on the suit
Bats are mammals, if it didn't have nipples he can't be Batman.
"With Val Kilmer’s suit in Batman Forever, the nipples were one of those things that I added. It wasn’t fetish to me, it was more informed by Roman armor — like Centurions. And, in the comic books, the characters always looked like they were naked with spray paint on them — it was all about anatomy, and I like to push anatomy. I don’t know exactly where my head was at back in the day, but that’s what I remember. And so, I added the nipples. I had no idea there was going to end up being all this buzz about it."
- Jose Fernandez, costume designer and sculptor
Would have been funnier if he was like "what are you talking about those were just Clooney's nips"
I've never seen or heard anyone ever answer for the design choices and this makes perfect sense. Always thought Schumacher was having his fun like Tarantino does with feet.
It's cool to see the person that made that decision just own it.
"Yeah I like nipples so I put them on there."
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No more ridiculous than abs on the suit.
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I heard him tell a story about the time he had a close call with guys with machine guns on one of his foreign aid missions, and found himself on his knees with his hands in the air. He said he was worried that they'd figure out that they were safe, and start to let them go, and then recognize him, and say "YOU PUT NIPPLES ON THE BAT SUIT!" and shoot him anyway.
There was something about that movie (uma Thurman) that no Batman movie after was able to do (it was uma Thurman). I haven't seen the movie in years, but I remember empathizing with the villains in a way that modern movies just don't want you to (it may have just been uma Thurman but I remember feeling bad for mr freeze too). I might just be queerer than other people but the level of camp felt genuine. I don't dislike other Batman movies, but that one felt fun to watch the way old comics were fun to read.
mr freeze and poison ivy are definitely the most sympathetic of the main cast of batman villains. as in, their motivations make more sense than like... calendar man.
Poison Ivy is like Magneto. It becomes harder and harder every year to say they're wrong.
I assume Calendar Man had a mental illness like OCD that manifested around dates due to the fact that his parents named him Julian Gregory Day.
And if someone has a mental illness in Gotham, you can bet a billionaire in S&M gear is there to beat the shit out of them.
I assume Calendar Man had a mental illness
Pretty much every batman villain is mentally ill in someway or another, and it's probably easier to list the ones that aren't. That's why they end up in Arkham "Asylum".
The ones that aren't mentally ill are disfigured. And at this point, you can probably count out the only ones left.
Ra's Al Ghul
Catwoman
Hush
Also Jim Carrey having so many consecutive bad days at work he loses his fkin mind, I felt that.
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It was reminiscent of the older silly Batman stuff and I liked it! I'll die on that hill!
keaton was the best, but clooney was up there.
batman & robin was probably the closest a mainstream comic book movie has ever been to the tone of the source material.
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