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In the piece — titled "Can You Fool a Self Driving Car?" — Rober found that a Tesla car on Autopilot was fooled by a Wile E. Coyote-style wall painted to look like the road ahead of it, with the electric vehicle plowing right through it instead of stopping.

The footage was damning enough, with slow-motion clips showing the car not only crashing through the styrofoam wall but also a mannequin of a child. The Tesla was also fooled by simulated rain and fog.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 142 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

I hope some of you actually skimmed the article and got to the "disengaging" part.

As Electrek points out, Autopilot has a well-documented tendency to disengage right before a crash. Regulators have previously found that the advanced driver assistance software shuts off a fraction of a second before making impact.

It's a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

[–] endeavor@sopuli.xyz 41 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

It’s a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

That is like writing musk made an awkward, confused gesture during a time a few people might call questionable timing and place.

[–] cortex7979@lemm.ee 34 points 2 weeks ago

That's so wrong holy shit

[–] LemmyFeed@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Don't get me wrong, autopilot turning itself off right before a crash is sus and I wouldn't put it past Tesla to do something like that (I mean come on, why don't they use lidar) but maybe it's so the car doesn't try to power the wheels or something after impact which could potentially worsen the event.

On the other hand, they're POS cars and the autopilot probably just shuts off cause of poor assembly, standards, and design resulting from cutting corners.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 34 points 2 weeks ago (7 children)

if it can actually sense a crash is imminent, why wouldn't it be programmed to slam the brakes instead of just turning off?

Do they have a problem with false positives?

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[–] skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 15 points 2 weeks ago

Normal cars do whatever is in their power to cease movement while facing upright. In a wreck, the safest state for a car is to cease moving.

[–] Tungsten5@lemm.ee 14 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I see your point, and it makes sense, but I would be very surprised if Tesla did this. I think the best option would be to turn off the features once an impact is detected. It shutting off before hand feels like a cheap ploy to avoid guilt

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[–] Krzd@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Wouldn't it make more sense for autopilot to brake and try to stop the car instead of just turning off and letting the car roll? If it's certain enough that there will be an accident, just applying the brakes until there's user override would make much more sense..

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[–] madcaesar@lemmy.world 108 points 2 weeks ago (59 children)

My 500$ robot vacuum has LiDAR, meanwhile these 50k pieces of shit don't 😂

[–] rbm4444@lemmy.world 32 points 2 weeks ago

Holy shit, I knew I'd heard this word before. My Chinese robot vacuum cleaner has more technology than a tesla hahahahaha

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[–] TommySoda@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago (18 children)

Notice how they're mad at the video and not the car, manufacturer, or the CEO. It's a huge safety issue yet they'd rather defend a brand that obviously doesn't even care about their safety. Like, nobody is gonna give you a medal for being loyal to a brand.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 23 points 2 weeks ago (9 children)

These people haven't found any individual self identity.

An attack on the brand is an attack on them. Reminds me of the people who made Stars Wars their meaning and crumbled when a certain trilogy didn't hold up.

[–] billiam0202@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

An attack on the brand is an attack on them.

Thus it ever is with Conservatives. They make $whatever their whole identity, and so take any critique of $whatever as a personal attack against themselves.

I blame evangelical religions' need for martyrdom for this.

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[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago (33 children)

As Electrek points out, Autopilot has a well-documented tendency to disengage right before a crash. Regulators have previously found that the advanced driver assistance software shuts off a fraction of a second before making impact.

This has been known.

They do it so they can evade liability for the crash.

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[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It's a highly questionable approach that has raised concerns over Tesla trying to evade guilt by automatically turning off any possibly incriminating driver assistance features before a crash.

So, who's the YouTuber that's gonna test this out? Since Elmo has pushed his way into the government in order to quash any investigation into it.

[–] bay400@thelemmy.club 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

It basically already happened in the Mark Rober video, it turns off by itself less than a second before hitting

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[–] get_the_reference_@midwest.social 25 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

E. Lon Musk. Supah. Geenius.

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

To be fair, if you were to construct a wall and paint it exactly like the road, people will run into it as well. That being said, tesla shouldn't rely on cameras

Edit: having just watched the video, that was a very obvious fake wall. You can see the outlines of it pretty well. I'm also surprised it failed other tests when not on autopilot, seems pretty fucking dangerous.

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (3 children)

To be fair, if you were to construct a wall and paint it exactly like the road, people will run into it as well.

this isn't being fair. It's being compared to the other- better- autopilot systems that use both LIDAR and radar in addition to daylight and infrared optical to sense the world around them.

Teslas only use daylight and infrared. LIDAR and radar systems both would not have been deceived.

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[–] comfy@lemmy.ml 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

The video does bring up human ability too with the fog test ("Optically, with my own eyes, I can no longer see there's a kid through this fog. The lidar has no issue.") But, as they show, this wall is extremely obvious to the driver.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The tesla would lose its shit if it sees this

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[–] echodot@feddit.uk 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Watch the video it's extremely obvious to a human driver that there is something wrong with that view ahead. It's even pointed out in the video that humans use additional visual clues when a situation is ambiguous.

The cars don't have deduction and reasoning capabilities so they need additional sensors to give them more information to compensate due to their lack of brains. So it's not really sensible to compare self-driving systems to humans. Humans have limited sensory input but it's compensated for by reasoning abilities, Self-Driving cars do not have reasoning abilities but it's compensated for by enhanced sensory input.

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[–] Banana@sh.itjust.works 21 points 2 weeks ago (21 children)

And the president is driving one of these?

Maybe we should be purchasing lots of paint and cement blockades...

[–] LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee 16 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

When he was in the Tesla asking if he should go for a ride I was screaming "Yes! Yes Mr. President! Please! Elon, show him full self driving on the interstate! Show him full self driving mode!"

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[–] ABetterTomorrow@lemm.ee 20 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

I can’t wait for all this brand loyalty and fan people culture to end. Why is this even a thing? Like talking about box office results, companies financials and stocks…. If you’re not an investor of theirs, just stop. It sounds like you’re working for free for them.

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[–] yarr@feddit.nl 18 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

Does anyone else get the heebies with Mark Rober? There's something a little off about his smile and overall presence.

[–] FurryMemesAccount@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah, he's over-positive, it's unnerving.

Still, that video is good anti-musk press.

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[–] JokklMaster@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I believe he's one of the very many YouTubers who's a Mormon.

Edit: https://youtu.be/3Bcn0TFAi6E

[–] boaratio@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Did you know he used to work at NASA? He very rarely mentions it. /s

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[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 16 points 2 weeks ago (10 children)

I wondered how the hell it managed to fool LIDAR, well...

The stunt was meant to demonstrate the shortcomings of relying entirely on cameras — rather than the LIDAR and radar systems used by brands and autonomous vehicle makers other than Tesla.

[–] Weirdfish@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

If I could pass one law, requiring multiple redundant scanning tech on anything autonomous large enough to hurt me might be it.

I occasionally go to our warehouses which have robotic arms, autonomous fork lifts, etc. All of those have far more saftey features than a self driving Tesla, and they aren't in public.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago (8 children)

The tl;dr here is that Elon said that humans have eyes and they work, and eyes are like cameras, so use cameras instead of expensive LIDAR. Dick fully inside car door for the slam.

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[–] Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee 15 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Of course it disengages self driving modes before an impact. Why would they want to be liable for absolutely anything?

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[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

"Dipshit Nazis mad at facts bursting their bubble is unreality" is another way of reading this headline.

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[–] Flax_vert@feddit.uk 13 points 2 weeks ago (28 children)

Why would a car that expensive not have a LiDAR sensor?

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