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    [–] lmuel@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Ladybird is certainly interesting to watch, it's improving quite quickly.

    I know people on here hate it because of one (admittedly not at all nice) gender issue in the codes comments but like... seriously?

    [–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Any details on that comment? Curious...

    [–] mke@programming.dev 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (9 children)

    I'll give my take on it. Something many fail to grasp is that it's not about a singular thing, you need to look at the context. Let's go through some of it:

    • Andreas Kling, lead developer of (now-)Ladybird, rejects PR that changes "he" to "they" in documentation.
      • This is the most frequently mentioned example of Andreas' issues.
      • The "he" in question referred to any user, where "they" is already commonly used instead by everything from companies, to news, to the Linux Kernel docs (an arguably much more important software project).
      • Andreas' exact words: "This project is not an appropriate arena to advertise your personal politics."
      • This code was eventually merged 3 years laters in a different PR, this time described as "Grammar fixes" (it changes even more pronouns to gender neutral than the original did).
      • Someone got his attention and tried to explain to him why that's not cool; he doubled down, assuming the worst from the original contributor.
    • Andreas Kling likes interacting with far-right, queerphobic, or otherwise controversial persons.
    • Other quirky things about Andreas that could be irrelevant in isolation but... please, put the pieces together. I'm begging you, look at the full picture. Is there truly nothing off about all of this?

    Would I look at that PR and say I'm not touching Andreas with a ten-foot pole? Maybe that's excessive. Would I ignore all the rest and say he's just misunderstood? Hell no. For all its issues, I do hope Ladybird succeeds as a new browser engine because the internet needs more of those. But I cannot support it until Andreas gets his shit sorted.

    P.P.S. I'm tired, of all this.

    [–] beSyl@slrpnk.net 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Oh wow.. He seeks to be ant alt right in disguise. God damn it.

    [–] mke@programming.dev 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

    I honestly can't tell if there's a disguise. Maybe there isn't! He seems to genuinely and stubbornly believe in the apolitical-centrist stuff, which you wouldn't think him capable of since he's so intelligent when it comes to programming... but programming intelligence is not necessarily applicable anywhere else.

    [–] phlegmy@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    So there's no issue with Andreas, just some people he's interacted with before?

    It's great to hear he doesn't partake in dehumanising others for their past behaviour/statements :)

    [–] mke@programming.dev 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)

    I refuse to believe a reasonable, healthy mind sees someone cheering for queerphobes and thinks there's nothing wrong with that. "He's just interacting, he doesn't do the bad things" has to be the most insane or trollish response to this, because it shows you don't understand or outright don't care about how this harms people.

    By that absurd logic, if I like interacting with Nazis on the daily it's fine, so long as I don't actually pull the trigger on the jews myself. When people call me out, I'll just say I'm apolitical. That's how Andreas describes himself, by the way. Apolitical.

    I'm not calling Andreas an outright Nazi, to be extra clear. If I had to take a guess, I'd say he's a right leaning "thinks he's a centrist and apolitical" person who doesn't see the harm in many of the things he supports or is otherwise sheltered from them. This seems to be a trend among self-described centrists.

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    [–] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

    I'm not sure I have a lot of faith in Servo but we are in need of anything better than Gecko. Ladybird is the new one on the block and we will see if it goes anywhere. I like that Ladybird it's own web browser.

    [–] shortrounddev@lemmy.world 1 points 4 months ago

    Ladybird seems almost singularly focused on macOS development. They say that they intend to incrementally move from C++ to Swift

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