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[–] Marty_TF@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago

i'm german, had a 4/D in english final exams after 10 years of english classes, and afterwards became fluent in english within like half a year by just chatting in international communities, and i am able to read that sentence.

so i guess i truly was part of a failed english teaching Initiative, but i dont think thats what they mean lol.

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'm not a native English speaker, I don't have any experience with this ITA crap, nor any emotional investment on it. However I studied enough Linguistics to smell the bullshit from a distance.

I'm sceptic on claims that ITA hindered or helped those people to learn English. It looks like fluff; not specially helpful, but not specially harmful either. At most you could claim it wasted time that could be better spent teaching something else, but that's it.

The hardest part to teach someone to read in an alphabet is not to teach them the value of the letters, but rather the idea behind the alphabet - that those lines in a paper are related to some abstract segments of their speech. And that "idea" is trivial to transpose, if you need to relearn the former; for example, if you're learning a second alphabetic script.

Now look at the personal anecdotes being shared. I'll emphasise some parts:

And then, at A-level, I’ll never forget my English teacher said to me, ‘You’ll never get an A because of your spelling.’ That was crushing. English was the one subject I loved – I felt so aggrieved.”

I know plenty people around her age who can't spell Portuguese for shit. As in, "eçeção" tier. Even with a more transparent spelling system, and no Initial Teaching Alphabet. But just like her, they had shitty teachers really, really eager to put students down.

For Alder, the abrupt transition from ITA to the standard alphabet felt like a betrayal. “It was like they said: ‘Right, we’ve told you a pack of lies for the past two years, now this is how you’re actually meant to read and write.’ My disgust at being lied to, that loss of trust, that stuck with me. I was never interested in English after that.”

"We're going to teach you this, but you'll never be told why."

Is the issue really ITA? Or primitive didactic methods of those times, that treated students as stupid little things instead of rational human beings? I'm betting the later.

[–] 100@fedia.io 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

seems like they YOLO'd the experiment and then didnt bother to compile any results after it wasnt the hottest new thing any more and just moved on like it never happened

[–] lvxferre@mander.xyz 2 points 1 week ago

Likely - they didn't get any promising result fast enough, and kids be damned. That would explain Alder's abrupt transition into the standard orthography.

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 2 points 1 week ago

I'm not a native English speaker and it's easy to read ? Hello ?

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 1 points 1 week ago

When I first read 𐑞 baitline, I 𐑞𐑴𐑑 𐑞𐑱 𐑫𐑛 talk about Shavian, 𐑞𐑑 I praxis 𐑪 lemmy, 𐑯 ❌ a script.

I'm glad 𐑑 learn UK won't 🫏 their literacy anytime soon.