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[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 65 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Explanation: In the Medieval period, European Christendom developed an incredibly toxic relationship with the Jewish people and faith. While tension had been present since the foundation of Christianity as a distinct religion, and persecution intermittent, Medieval Europe changed the dynamic of this persecution drastically. Whereas before, Jews were constantly pressured (or killed) on purely religious grounds, the ideological-religious foundation of Medieval European states resulted in Jews also being shunted into 'unfitting' work.

One of the core religious-ideological principles of the High Middle Ages was the notion of the Three Orders - those who worked, those who preached, and those who fought. Merchants and moneylenders (with Christian moneylending in particular being restricted by the Catholic Church), one might note, fit neatly into none of these, making them a sort of ideological outcast. Since Jews were already religious outcasts... you may see where this is going.

The level of restriction upon Jewish economic activity was utterly insane. In many places, they were not only forbidden from owning land, but forbidden from working land even as tenant farmers. Imagine being told "We are not going to allow you to be a peasant". After being shunted into mercantile work, many became rich - which then resulted in the Jews being decried as 'greedy' - a convenient excuse whenever locals or notables wanted to murder or expel some Jewish communities and seize all of their worldly goods. Thus making Jews both a key part of the functioning of European economies and an intensely persecuted minority. What a... lovely situation.

While there was considerable tension and antisemitism in Medieval Islamic polities, it was nowhere near as intense or as rigid as it was amongst European Christendom, and for that reason a great many Jews intermittently fled after periods of European Christian persecution to Muslim-controlled polities like Al-Andalus, Egypt, and later, the Ottoman Empire. Later, Poland would deploy a limited form of religious tolerance which would make it also a major destination for expelled Jews from other Christian polities.

[–] dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 33 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Part of all of this was that Christianity grew to forbid usury between members of the faith, i.e. Europeans could not lend money to each other at interest. The Jews were under no such restriction themselves, so they became the de facto moneylenders, or rather the moneylenders were ultimately mostly Jews. This did not make them popular. In the middle ages, the latest pogrom aimed at the Jews was just as likely to be because some local ruler decided he really didn't feel like paying off his debts.

[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Easiest way to make some quick cash in Crusader Kings

[–] Cavemanfreak@programming.dev 6 points 1 week ago

I'm embarassed about how long it took me to realise it was Expel the Jewry, and not Expel the Jewelry... I did not understand how throwing away my valuables would net me some cash.

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I really appreciate the opportunity to learn more about this, I wish this was more common knowledge.

I recently had to explain a less detailed version of this to a perhaps chronically online queer aquaintance who was theorizing that the Jews were responsible for wwII... It was not an enjoyable or comfortable conversion. 😶

I'm kinda hoping they don't message me again honestly.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Wait wtf‽ Antisemitism played a role in the start of wwii, but the jews were just trying to live

[–] Cris_Color@lemmy.world 6 points 1 week ago

Its believed Hitler was in part radialized by returning home from wartime injuries and seeing that although "true" Germans (according to Hitler) were struggling as a product of the postwar German economy, Jewish bankers were doing okay

The person in question bought into pretty much the same idea that the Jewish population weilded too much power or were exploiting the non-Jewish population and that's what drove Hitler to hate them, escalating into the holocaust... Referring to them as "jewish mega bankers" 😬

Thats an oversimplification of their stance, but the additional details and way it was conveyed frankly make it worse, not better. The conversation was, to be frank, deeply uncomfortable and incredibly racist. Hence why I really hope they just don't message me again.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And if you’re a medieval prince in a lot of debt you just start a pogrom and you’re gucci

[–] BabyVi@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Atleast until you need another line of credit to help finish up that war you started..

[–] flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 week ago

That's what the Templars are for. Easy to get rid of when the time comes to pay back.

[–] TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world 5 points 1 week ago

It's called middlemen minority, and not just exclusive to Jews but to other minorities marginalised from other well regarded positions by mainstream society.

[–] lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago

Also: Many if not most Jews were poor.