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[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 112 points 1 week ago (3 children)

CCTV footage will likely show the perps to be off duty cops, lol

[–] floo@retrolemmy.com 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Off duty? Nah. Those motherfuckers probably got paid overtime for it.

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 14 points 1 week ago

The footage will be lost before it can show any duty cop.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Off duty cops are rarely pro-Palestine supporters

[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Um, they rarely support Palestine but they’d love to vandalize the office of someone who does…. The premise of my comment was that this vandalism was made to look like leftists had done it when it was actually an off-duty cop or some other right wing agitator

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[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 week ago

That was literally their point.

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[–] CaptDust@sh.itjust.works 61 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Perhaps I'm not up to speed, but she was one of the first reps to call Israel's actions a genocide. What gives?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 154 points 1 week ago (24 children)

It's more bad-faith horseshit to get leftists to destroy one another, which a lot of leftists love to lap up because their critical thinking isn't real strong and they love nothing more than being "holier than" some kind of previously respected icon.

MTG's amendment left intact the funding for offensive weapons, but cut the funding for defensive weapons for Israel. So there is literally no way AOC could win. Leaving aside the fact that it was a kooky MTG amendment that was never going to pass in the first place... If she voted for the amendment, then everyone who is currently screaming that she's a fake leftist who supports genocide could say "See? SHE VOTED FOR KEEPING ISRAEL'S FUNDING INTACT, SHE SUPPORTS GENOCIDE!" Since she voted against it, they are currently screaming "See? SHE VOTED AGAINST DEFUNDING ISRAEL, SHE SUPPORTS GENOCIDE!"

It's just more can't-win, let's-eat-the-leftest-person-because-we're-super-leftist-I-promise horseshit.

Here's AOC voting against funding for Israel, in an actual bill that was actually a non-Hobson's-choice opportunity to vote against aid for Israel: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/biden-meets-with-aoc-in-wake-of-her-vote-against-military-aid-for-israel/

And her voting against the actual funding bill providing aid to Israel: https://clerk.house.gov/Votes/2025212

I've also seen people say Bernie is a Zionist, because he says "ethnic cleansing" instead of "genocide." Both Bernie and AOC's vocal opposition to genocide doesn't matter to these people. Actually, it's that genuine leftism that they represent that makes them dangerous, and worthwhile to engineer cooked-up horseshit to use to get other people to turn on them, so the Marco Rubios of the world can take over un-contested.

[–] NaibofTabr@infosec.pub 32 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I mean... it really doesn't take much to get people on the left to turn on each other. It's kind of a historic problem with leftist ideological groups in general - they're awfully quick to declare each other the wrong type of leftist, or not leftist enough, and then refuse to cooperate.

There certainly are outside provocateurs, but I wouldn't leap to that conclusion in every occasion. Hanlon's razor applies.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Maybe. It's real hard for me not to notice the pattern recognition of "Kamala Harris supports genocide!" "AOC supports genocide!" "Bernie supports genocide!", basically literally any person in American politics who's trying to do some kind of leftist thing with any level of popularity, there's some kind of bizarre moon logic whereby they must support genocide and we've got to start screaming it at them and never support them again.

I will agree with you that some stupid features of the left tend to provide some nice dry powder for this kind of thing but I don't remember this kind of thing happening in American politics any time previous to the social-media-mass-shilling age of political discourse. Like circa 2000, there was a super vigorous protest movement, but it was aimed at shadowy neoliberal quasi-governments, fascist police, war machines... you know, the enemy. No one was out screaming at Al Gore for destroying the climate and throwing red paint at his offices.

[–] dhork@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Al Gore may not have really invented the Internet, but when he was in politics we haven't figured out how to really weaponize it for political purposes yet. It's not bizarre moon logic, it's active manipulation.

"Genocide" is one of those hot button terms that short-circuit people's critical thinking whenever someone invokes it, that's why provateuers online like tossing it about. ("Pedo" is another one, which has been in the news lately). Turns out getting lasting peace in the region is difficult and can't be reduced to slogans....

[–] curbstickle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Al Gore may not have really invented the Internet

Which, to point out, he never actually said. He said "creating" - which is actually accurate, since he pushed the policies that allowed for it to exist. Vint Cerf and Robert Kahn support his stance that he was a primary driver behind its development from a policy perspective. I believe they even said no other politician has been as important to the internet (rough paraphrase, someone else can grab the exact quote) as Gore.

The claim that he said he "invented the internet" came from dirtbag pundits, of course.

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[–] fartographer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

An old joke to your point:

A person calls the police and starts shouting, "help! There's a DEMOCRAT masturbating on my lawn!" The dispatcher says they're sending an officer and then asks, "uhhh... How do you know this person is a democrat?"

The caller responds, "they're not fucking everyone else, only themselves."

[–] agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's kind of a historic problem with leftist ideological groups in general - they're awfully quick to declare each other the wrong type of leftist, or not leftist enough, and then refuse to cooperate.

How dare you, you filthy liberal. You've made an enemy for life!

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[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Spot on. It would have played out the same way no matter what she did.

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yeah. There's always something to capitalize on.

There are some fucking emergencies going on, among them the literal starvation of everyone in Gaza. Go up to the US Capitol building or your local Brooks Brothers, or fucking wherever, and spray-paint "PEOPLE IN GAZA ARE DYING TONIGHT"? Fuckin' spot on, man, please do. Go and shit on the lefty-est person you can find because you found a tiny chink in her behavior that you can exploit and start bullying her over for the next year and a half? Honestly, man, it really irritates me.

I think the reason they like to do it is because she's vulnerable. If they were protesting the people actually killing Palestinians, or the people taking over our country and cancelling democracy, they might punch back real hard. That's scary, so let's go throw some paint on someone who is in a precarious enough position that she'll have to just take it.

Honestly, fuck 'em. Like I say it irritates me.

[–] slackassassin@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

She's the chosen lightning rod and MTG is the chosen lightning. Everyone ignores her voting record and stares into the flash.

Because it's that easy. Textbook. But it shows that progressives are a threat. And we'll see more of this. Especially at midterms.

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[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 20 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

TL;DR is at MTG put forth a bill to remove funding for Israel's missile defense system from the US budget. 429/435 House reps voted against it, including AOC, but then she made a very tone-deaf tweet basically saying "The bill was trying to remove funding for Israel's ability to defend themselves from the people they're genociding, of course I voted against it!" and it's causing massive backlash against her.

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[–] ileftreddit@piefed.social 8 points 1 week ago (10 children)

If I had to guess, some kind of right wing nonsense, probably done by a Trump supporter. Any truly progressive person wouldn’t resort to vandalism in the first place

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[–] return2ozma@lemmy.world 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] zbyte64@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

What kind of perpetrator takes a photo of their activity... Do they want to get caught?

[–] PhilipTheBucket@quokk.au 5 points 1 week ago

Someone whose primary purpose is the cred and self-aggrandization, and not the political impact

[–] StowawayFog@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It’s probably some right winger trying to attack her from the left in an effort to split her support. Attacks from the right make her stronger, so they’ll attack from the left to make leftists abandon her.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

And reading the comments on Lemmy, it's working.

This is what the left does best. Eat itself.

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[–] simplejack@lemmy.world 7 points 1 week ago (30 children)

AOC supports what’s going on in Gaza? lol. Wut.

She literally just voted against throwing more money at the Iron Dome.

[–] womjunru@lemmy.cafe 5 points 1 week ago

She should just paint the place red. And when they do it in another color… paint it in that color.

I see a potential backdrop for a photo shoot.

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