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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Because I read Yudkowsky being interviewed about writing HPMoR, and you should suffer too.

Funniest bits:

Yudkowsky still thinks that he described Mendelian inheritance, despite everyone from FF.net commenters on pointing out his mistake.

Wandering off into "the multiverse" and algorithmic information theory to fumble at explaining that magic works the way it does in a book because the writer made it that way.

This paragraph:

So to generalize that, let’s talk about the principle of “Make All the Characters Awesome.” This was an explicit process as I was envisioning the story, where I thought, for each character, how can I make this character awesome?

This comment:

My own belief about why so many people didn't want to believe Quirrell was Voldemort is that Eliezer is nearly incapable of writing characters that people actually dislike (perhaps due to, as mentioned: "make every character awesome," "give characters understandable flaws drawn from real life").

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 6 points 9 hours ago

Eliezer is nearly incapable of writing characters that people actually dislike

Wait wasn't the whole point of Harry that he was an insufferable know-it-all who fails to say Hermione because of how insufferable he is?

That wasn't even subtext, that was the text

[–] zogwarg@awful.systems 5 points 10 hours ago

And the extension of this to characters, and I don't actually remember at this point, if this exact way of phrasing it is original to me or not, is that you might think of a three dimensional character as one who contains at least two two-dimensional characters.

Ahhh! No! I can't! Just... NO. Two stereotypes don't make a full person! (screams into a pillow)

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 9 points 21 hours ago

Who could possibly dislike the smarmy fascist main villain of the story? Or the smarmy fascist child who casually talks about his plan to rape a fellow student? Or the smarmy fascist main character? Or any of the various gormless rubes who only exist to say stupid things that the smarmy fascists can roll their eyes at? Nearly incapable of writing these characters in a dislikeable way.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 8 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Make All the Characters Awesome.

Looks at draco, looks at ron. Wtf.

Psssh. We all know Ron wasn't a character, because the only people capable of character are smarmy fascists and those capable of becoming smarmy fascists after one points out how their whole life is actually dumb.

Everyone else is just an NPC. You know, like in real life.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 1 day ago

Ran across a notable post on Bluesky recently - seems there's some alt-text drama that's managed to slip me by:

On a wider note, I wouldn't be shocked if the AI bubble dealt some setbacks to accessibility in tech - given the post I've mentioned earlier, there's signs its stigmatised alt-text as being an AI Bro Thing™.

[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 1 day ago (4 children)
[–] scruiser@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

that couple

I hate that I know what is being talked about the instant I see it.

Also, they've appeared on 3 separate top posts in the stubstack this week, so yeah another PR blitz. I find it kind of funny/stupid the news media can't even bother to find a local eugenicist couple to talk to. I guess having a "story" served up to you is enticing enough to utterly fail to provide pushback or question if the story is even relevant to your audience in the first place.

[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 6 points 1 day ago

Alfons Åberg's father smoking a pipe with reddened eyes, captioned "För Helvete"

Varför måste vi lyssna på det här skit ens i Norden? Vittu saatana.

[–] istewart@awful.systems 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A møøse ønce bit my spare 4th child, the disappøinting øne with a løw scøre øn Raven's Prøgressive Matrices...

[–] mlen@awful.systems 2 points 1 day ago

Møøse bites kan be pretty nasti

[–] jonhendry@iosdev.space 10 points 1 day ago (2 children)

@gerikson

Someone's clearly doing another PR blitz about them. People don't just show up in media around the world for no reason. The question is who?

[–] dgerard@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 4 points 1 day ago

The guy who is slowly transforming into a racist hot dog?

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I bet it’s Industry Americus, who is far too enterprising for one of such young age

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 1 day ago

She is a blight on the neighborhood, her exhaust gasses and waste production alone.

[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

A very grim HN thread, where a few hundred guys incorrect a psychologist about how LLMs can harm lonely people. Since I am currently enjoying a migraine I can't trust my gut feelings here, but it seems particularly eugh

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44766508

[–] CautiousCharacter@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yikes.

Real humans are also fake and they are also traps who are waiting to catch you when you say something they don't like. Then they also use every word and piece of information as ammunition against you, ironically sort of similar to the criticism always levied against online platforms who track you and what you say. AI robots are going to easily replace real humans because compared to most real humans the AI is already a saint. They don't have an ego, they don't try to gaslight you, they actually care about what you say which is practically impossible to find in real life.. I mean this isn't even going to be a competition. Real humans are not going to be able to evolve into the kind of objectively better human beings that they would need to be to compete with a robot.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago

Poor friendless guy. Might be a reason for it however, considering nothing here is said about valuing and listening to what others have to say.

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

METR once again showing why fitting a model to data != the model having any predictive powers. Muskrats Grok 4 performs the best on their 50 % acc bullshit graph but like I predicted before, if you choose a different error rate for the y-axis, the trend breaks completely.

Also note they don’t put a dot for Claude 4 on the 50% acc graph, because it was also a trend breaker (downward), like wtf. Sussy choices all around.

Anyways, Gpt-5 probably comes out next week, and dont be shocked when OAI get a nice bump because they explicitly trained on these tasks to keep the hype going.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 12 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Please help me, what's a 50%-time-horizon on multi-step software engineering tasks?

[–] BigMuffN69@awful.systems 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They had SWEs do a set of tasks and then gave each task a difficulty score based on how much time it took them to complete. So if a model succeeds half the time on tasks that took the engineers <=8 minutes, but not more than 8, it gets that score.

[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 16 points 2 days ago (4 children)

... Is this as made-up and arbitrary as it sounds?

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I would give it credit for being better than the absolutely worthless approach of "scoring well on a bunch of multiple choice question tests". And it is possibly vaguely relevant for the ~~pipe-dream~~ end goal of outright replacing programmers. But overall, yeah, it is really arbitrary.

Also, given how programming is perceived as one of the more in-demand "potential" killer-apps for LLMs and how it is also one of the applications it is relatively easy to churn out and verify synthetic training data for (write really precise detailed test cases, then you can automatically verify attempted solutions and synthetic data), even if LLMs are genuinely improving at programming it likely doesn't indicate general improvement in capabilities.

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago

From the people who brought you performance review season: a way to evaluate code quality of humans and machines

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Made up yes, but I wonder if it arbitrary, or some p-hacking equivalent.

[–] YourNetworkIsHaunted@awful.systems 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

It feels very strange to see this kind of statistic get touted, since a 50% success rate would be absolutely unacceptable for one of those software engineers and it's not suggested that if given more time the AI is eventually getting there.

Rather, the usual fail state is to confidently present a plausible-looking product that absolutely fails to do what it was supposed to do, something that would get a human fired so quickly.

[–] scruiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They are going with the 50% success rate because the "time horizons" for something remotely reasonable like 99% or even just 95% are still so tiny they can't extrapolate a trend out of it and it tears a massive hole in their whole AGI agents soon scenarios().

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

But even then, they control the 'time it takes for an engineer to do it' variable anyway. Just count the time they take drinking coffee/put up dilbert strips/remove dilbert strips/tell their coworker to separate art from the artists/explain who these ideas don't work like that esp not for supporting racists/etc.

(E: Scott is still alive, just checked, and turns out he now is no hormone blockers, and not assisted suicide because he did eventually decide to take the normal treatment for his kind of cancer T blockers, he might have actually not went on this bog standard treatment initially because ... he did his own research. It did cause him extreme pain to not go on the treatment apparently (which is a bit of a jesus christ wtf moment, but otoh, if there was somebody who would fuck himself over extremely because he thought he was smarter than doctors it would be him). (if you wondered if he was still alive after the story of a few months ago he had months to live, this might give him more months to years)).

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 9 points 2 days ago
[–] bitofhope@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

New Stan Kelly cartoon has a convenient Thiel reaction picture, should someone do a slightly better crop job:

Only in the finest in ~~content-aware AI powered clone stamp tool paintshop pro subscription magic~~ mspaint terribleness

[–] yellowcake@awful.systems 15 points 4 days ago

A friend at a former workplace was in a discussion with that company leadership earlier this week to understand how and what metrics are to be used for promotion candidates since the office is directed to use “AI” tools for coding. Simply put: lots of entry and lower level engineers submit PRs that are co-authored by Claude so it is difficult to measure their actual software development skills to determine if they should get promoted.

That leadership had no real answers just lots of abstract garbage (vibes essentially) and followed up with telling all the entry levels to reduce the code they write and use the purchased agentic tool.

Along with this a buddy at a very famous prop shop says the firm decided to freeze all junior hiring and is leaning into only hiring senior+ and replacing juniors with AI. He asked what will happen when the current seniors leave/retire and got hit with shock that would even be considered.

[–] swlabr@awful.systems 9 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is sort of OT, but since we discuss race science and dogwhistles so much:

A jeans manufacturer has put out an ad featuring Sydney Sweeney and is saying “Sydney Sweeney has great jeans”. People are interpreting this as a racist dogwhistle (it is). Comedian Akilah Hughes cooked up this glorious parody to kick off a twitter thread:

https://xcancel.com/AkilahObviously/status/1950224586278154577#m

[–] V0ldek@awful.systems 15 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] Amoeba_Girl@awful.systems 16 points 3 days ago

I'd never heard of Jasmine Crockett, so for anyone like me needing a translation: he means black.

[–] sinedpick@awful.systems 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

getting 10:1 ratioed by my own profile picture would probably make me leave civilization and become an ascetic

[–] mountainriver@awful.systems 12 points 3 days ago

For those that (like me) is out of the loop and don't get it, Wikipedia comes to the rescue:

In one of the advertisements that was particularly controversial, Sweeney says that "genes are passed down from parents to offspring, often determining traits like hair color, personality, and even eye color. My jeans [or genes] are blue". Another voice then declares "Sydney Sweeney has great jeans".

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Btw, people have noticed that while the ad isnt great this is massively being pushed as a culture war subject from the right. To distract from all the other shit. (Gaza, the fascism, Epstein, the corruption, etc etc).

And Sydney is a massive obsession for the online far right. So best to not give them what they want.

(All this isnt helped by the media never giving agency to the right, the right gets weird about budweiser, keurig, gillette, jaguar (less so because none of them actually own luxury cars to destroy), it is treated as somewhat normal vs people going 'eurgh' over this in tweets causes a massive media shitstorm).

[–] Seminar2250@awful.systems 15 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (6 children)

i bought some bullshit from amazon and left a ~~somewhat~~ pretty mean review because debugging it was super frustrating

the seller reached out and offered a refund, so i told them basically "no, it's ok, just address the concerns in my review. let me update my review to be less mean-spirited


i was pretty frustrated setting it up but it mostly works fine"

then they sent a message that had the "llm vibe", and the rest of the conversation went

Seller: You're right — we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses, but every message is reviewed to ensure accuracy and relevance to your concerns. We sincerely apologize if our previous replies dissatisfied you; this was our oversight.

Me: I am not simply dissatisfied. I will no longer communicate with your company and will update my review to note that you sent me synthetic text without my consent. Please do not reply to this message.

Seller: All our replies are genuine human-to-human communication with you, without using any synthetic text. It's possible our communication style gave you a different impression. We aim to better communicate with you and absolutely did not intend any offense. With every customer, we maintain a conscientious and responsible attitude in our communications.

Me: "we occasionally use LLM assistance for responses"
"without using any synthetic text"
pick one

are all promptfondlers this fucking dumb?

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